经济252(2008)第9讲——嘉宾讲座:大卫·斯文森(耶鲁开放课程:金融市场,罗伯特·希勒教授)
标题ECON 252(2008)第 9 讲 - 大卫·斯文森客座讲座
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TITLEECON 252 (2008) Lecture 9 - Guest Lecture by David Swensen
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Financial Markets (2008)
Financial Markets (2008)
ECON 252 (2008) - 第 9 讲 - 大卫·斯文森客座讲座
ECON 252 (2008) - Lecture 9 - Guest Lecture by David Swensen
第一章 导言:机构投资组合管理的变迁 [00:00:00]
Chapter 1. Introduction: Changing Institutional Portfolio Management [00:00:00]
戴维·斯文森教授:
Professor David Swensen:
我先摆出一个我认为相对有争议的观点——投资管理这个行当,剥到最核心的本质,其实相当简单。我为什么这么说?我觉得,如果把我们今天在座的各位分成每四、五、六人一组,请你们讨论一下,对于一个投资期限非常长的投资组合来说,什么才是真正重要的,那么几乎所有小组都会得出非常相似的结论。如果你以长期眼光投资,偏向股权是有道理的;从长期来看,股票会上涨。 罗伯特·席勒的朋友杰里米·西格尔写过一本书,书名非常简单明了:
Let me start out by putting what I think is a relatively controversial proposition on the table and that's that this investment management business, when stripped down to its bare essentials, is really quite simple. Now, why do I say that? Well, I think if we took the group here today and divided you up into smaller groups of four, or five, or six and asked you to talk about what's really important in managing a portfolio that has a very long time horizon, I think that almost all the groups would come to very similar conclusions. If you're investing with a long time horizon, having an equity bias makes sense; stocks go up in the long run. Bob Shiller's friend, Jeremy Siegel, wrote a book that has the very simple title,
长期持有股票
Stocks For The Long Run
好吧,这本书是必读的,你们都知道是哪本。
. Well, the book is assigned; you all know it.
另一个我认为会在讨论中涌现的观点是:多元化很重要。实际上,任何读过基础金融教材的人——我认为任何以常识性方式思考投资的人——都知道多元化是投资组合管理的基本原则之一。有趣的是,哈里·马科维茨甚至把多元化称为“免费的午餐”。我们在经济学入门课上花大量时间论证世上没有免费的午餐,但马科维茨却告诉我们多元化就是免费的午餐。对于任何给定的收益水平,你可以降低——对于任何给定的风险水平,你可以提高收益;这听起来很不错。这很简单,对吧?两条原则:对长期投资组合保持股票偏向,以及多元化。
The other thing that I think would come out of the discussions is that diversification is important. Anybody whose read a basic finance text, as a matter of fact, I think anybody who thinks about investments in a common sense fashion knows that diversification is an important fundamental tenet of portfolio management. As a matter of fact, Harry Markowitz called diversification a "free lunch." We spend all our time in intro. econ. figuring out there is no such thing as a free lunch but Markowitz tells us that diversification is a free lunch. For any given level of return, you can reduce — For any given level of risk, you can increase the return; sounds pretty good. That's pretty simple, right? Two tenets, an equity bias for portfolios with a long time horizon and diversification.
鲍勃在介绍时提到,我是 1985 年回到耶鲁的,此前在华尔街待了六年,而且我完全没有一点投资组合管理的经验。我觉得这挺有意思的。你看,我回到耶鲁,手头管理着 10 亿美元的资产组合——在当时这笔钱可不少——却没有任何投资组合管理经验。那该怎么办?嗯,我认为生活中一个明智的做法就是看看别人在做什么,于是我观察了各大学和学院在资产配置上的做法。结果发现,在 80 年代中期,捐赠基金有 50% 的资产投在了普通股上,40% 投在了美国债券和现金上,还有 10% 分散投在一些另类资产上。我看了之后心想,这其实不太合理。你把一半资产放在单一资产类别上:美国普通股。另外 40% 的资产放在美国债券和现金上。这样 90% 的投资组合都是国内可交易的证券,只有 10% 投在了房地产、风险投资或是私募股权这类东西上——这点比例几乎对组合回报产生不了什么影响。我猜,大概是因为不受传统智慧束缚吧,我们在耶鲁走上了一条我认为从根本上改变了机构管理投资组合方式的道路。
Bob mentioned in his introduction that I showed up at Yale in 1985, after having spent six years on Wall Street, and I was totally unencumbered by any portfolio management experience. I thought that was pretty neat. Here I was, back at Yale, with a billion dollar portfolio — it seemed like a lot of money at the time — no portfolio management experience. What do I do? Well, one of the things I think is a sensible thing to do in life is look around at what others are doing, so I looked at what colleges and universities had done in terms of asset allocation. Turns out that 50% of endowment assets in the mid-1980s were invested in common stocks, 40% of endowment assets were in U.S. bonds and U.S. cash, and 10% in a smattering of alternatives. Well, I looked at that and I thought, this doesn't really make a lot of sense. You have half of your assets in one single asset class: U.S. common stocks. You've got another 40% of your assets in U.S. bonds and cash. So 90% of your portfolio is in domestic marketable securities and only 10% is invested in things like real estate or venture capital or private equity — hardly enough to make a difference in terms of the portfolios returns. Unencumbered by, I guess, the conventional wisdom, we started out at Yale on a path that I think is — fundamentally that changed the way that institutions manage portfolios.
第二章 资产配置:多元化的力量 [00:03:59]
Chapter 2. Asset Allocation: The Power of Diversification [00:03:59]
几年前,我写了本书,叫《……》—— 等一下,我不记得书名了。
A few years ago, I wrote a book called
开创性投资组合管理
Pioneering Portfolio Management
你能用一个大胆的标题来写的原因
. The reason you could put an audacious title like
《先锋组合管理》这本书封面所揭示的是,我们已从那种 50% 配置股票、40% 配置债券和现金的传统模式,转向了一种更加偏向股权、也更加多元化的模式。今天我想谈的,就是我们如何从旧模式演变到今天许多机构所称的“耶鲁模式”。我想通过审视投资者可用的工具——这些工具无论我们是个人投资者还是机构投资者都一样适用——来描述耶鲁是如何运用这些工具,并最终形成我们今天所拥有的投资组合。这三项工具分别是:资产配置、市场择时和证券选择。
Pioneering Portfolio Management on the cover of the book was that we moved away from this traditional model with 50% in stocks and 40% in bonds and cash to something that was much more equity-oriented and much more diversified. What I'd like to do today is talk to you about how it is that we moved from this old model to what it is that today many institutions call the Yale model. The way that I would like to talk about this journey that we took is by looking at the tools that we have available to us as investors — these tools are the same tools that we have whether we're operating as individual investors or institutional investors — and describe how we employ those tools at Yale and how they led us to the portfolio that we have today. Those three tools are asset allocation, market timing, and security selection.
第一,资产配置,基本解决你投资组合里放哪些资产、每种资产持有多大比例的问题。第二,择时,处理你在既定长期资产配置上的短期偏离。第三,选证券,说的是你如何管理每一类具体资产——你是照着市场组合去持有、做指数化投资、跟住市场收益呢,还是对每个资产类别进行主动管理,试图跑赢市场、赚取风险调整后的超额回报?
The first, asset allocation, basically deals with which assets you have in your portfolio and in which proportion you hold each of those assets. The second, market timing, deals with short-term deviations from the long-term asset allocations that you establish. And the third, securities selection, speaks to how it is you manage each of your individual asset classes. Are you going to hold the market portfolio, index your assets, match the markets results? Or are you going to manage each individual asset class actively, trying to beat the market and generate risk-adjusted excess returns?
先谈第一个话题:资产配置。我认为投资界几乎公认,资产配置是我们投资者手中最重要、最得力的工具。事实上,正因为资产配置被普遍视为最重要的工具,以至于有些人已经得出结论,认为它堪称某种金融法则——资产配置就是最重要的工具。但真相是,资产配置占据中心位置并非一条金融定律;它其实更像是对我们行为方式的描述。
Let's start out with the first: asset allocation. I think it's pretty widely known that asset allocation is far and away the most important tool that we have available to us as investors. As a matter of fact, it's so widely believed that asset allocation is the most important tool that I think some people have come to the conclusion that it's some sort of law of finance that asset allocation is the most important tool. It turns out that it's not a financial law that asset allocation takes center stage; it really is more a description of how it is that we behave.
耶鲁大学现在的资产远不止我们 1985 年刚开始时的 10 亿美元。根据我昨天早上拿到的估值表,我们大约有 225 亿美元;所以,这是一段不错的增长。如果今天上午我跟你们聊完之后回到办公室,把耶鲁的 225 亿美元全部投进谷歌的股票,那么资产配置对耶鲁的回报率就几乎没什么影响了。事实上,个股选择将绝对主宰结果。从我们买入到卖出的这段时间里,谷歌股票的特有走势将决定耶鲁的回报。换个思路,如果我回到办公室,把耶鲁的 225 亿美元拿来,决定去日内交易债券期货,那么个股选择对回报率就毫无影响;资产配置对回报率也毫无影响。回报将完全取决于我在债券期货市场上择时的能力。
Yale actually has a lot more than the billion dollars that we started with in 1985. I think the estimate sheet that I got yesterday morning said that we've got about $22.5 billion dollars; so that's been a nice run. If I went back to my office after speaking with you this morning and took Yale's $22.5 billion dollars and put all of it into Google stock, asset allocation would have very little to say about what Yale's returns would be. As a matter of fact, security selection would absolutely dominate the results. The idiosyncratic behavior of Google stock from the time that we purchase it to the time that we sell it would define Yale's returns. Alternatively, if I went back to the office and took Yale's $22.5 billion dollars and decided that I was going to day trade bond futures, security selection wouldn't have anything to say about the returns; asset allocation wouldn't have anything to say about the returns. The returns would be attributable solely to my ability to market time the bond futures market.
我两件事都不会做。既不会把耶鲁的整个投资组合全押在谷歌股票上,也不会回过头去把耶鲁的全部资产用来日内交易债券期货;部分原因是,这样做对我个人没好处。我觉得一旦别人发现我在拿投资组合这么干,我立马就会被炒鱿鱼,而更重要的是,这对大学也是有害的。这么做不理性。实际情况是,耶鲁会继续持有一个在资产类别范围上定义得相对多元化的投资组合。当你审视其中每一个具体的资产类别——国内股票、国外股票、债券、实物资产、绝对回报和私募股权——你会发现,每一个资产类别在单一头寸或单一证券的风险暴露上,也都会保持相对多元化。正因为如此,资产配置最终成了决定大学投资回报的最重要因素。由于我们持有的是相对稳定、相对多元化的投资组合,选股对于大多数投资者的回报来说并不是重要的决定因素,而择时同样也不是。最后剩下的决定因素就是资产配置,它往往主导着机构投资者和个人投资者的回报。
Now, I'm not going to do either one of those things. I'm not going to put Yale's entire portfolio in Google stock, I'm not going to go back and take Yale's entire portfolio to day-trade bond futures; in part, because it would be bad for me personally. I think I would be fired as soon as people found out what it was that I was doing with the portfolio and, overwhelmingly more important, it would be bad for the University. It's not a rational thing to do. What will happen is that Yale will continue to hold a relatively well-diversified portfolio as defined by the range of asset classes in which it invests. When you look at each of those individual asset classes — domestic equities, foreign equities, bonds, real assets, absolute return and private equity — each of those individual asset classes is going to be relatively well-diversified in terms of exposures to individual positions or individual securities. Because that's true, then asset allocation ends up being the overwhelmingly important determinant of the University's results. Because we hold relatively stable, relatively well-diversified portfolios, security selection turns out not to be an important determinant of returns for most investors and market timing turns out not to be an important determinant of returns. The last man standing is asset allocation and that tends to drive both institutional returns and individual returns.
罗杰·伊博森是鲍勃·席勒和我在管理学院的同事,他对这些回报来源的相对重要性做了大量研究。他得出的结论是,机构投资组合回报变动性的 90% 以上要归因于资产配置——我想这个数字是大多数人在看罗杰·伊博森的研究时最常听到的引述。而我觉得他的研究里一个更有趣甚至更简单的结论是,超过 100% 的回报是由资产配置决定的。这怎么可能?资产配置怎么能决定超过 100% 的投资回报?这个结论能成立,唯一的原因就是,证券选择和择时操作在整体上反而拖累了机构回报或个体回报。当然,你细想一下就会明白,作为一个整体,投资界在证券选择决策上必然是输钱的。
Roger Ibbotson, who is a colleague of Bob Shiller's and mine at the School of Management, has done a fair amount of work, studying the relative importance of these sources of returns. He's come to the conclusion that over 90% of the variability of returns in institutional portfolios is attributable to asset allocation and that's the number that I think most people hear cited when they are looking at Roger Ibbotson's work. I think one of the more interesting and even simpler concepts that comes out of his study is that more than 100% of returns are defined by asset allocation. Now, how can that be true? How can asset allocation be responsible for more than 100% of investment returns? Well, it can only be true if security selection and market timing detract from institutional returns or individual returns in the aggregate. Of course, if think about it, as a community, the investment community is going to lose from security selection decisions.
如果选股是一场零和博弈,赢家赚到的恰好等于输家亏掉的——赢家和输家是根据选股后的业绩表现来界定的——那么这听起来确实像零和博弈。但接下来,如果你把交易时产生的市场冲击、交易时支付的佣金,以及你频繁付给顾问(无论他们是共同基金管理者还是机构基金管理者)的大笔费用都算进去,整个系统就会产生损耗,导致整个群体的主动投资结果变成负数。市场择时方面也完全是同样的道理。我的意思是,只要你在长期策略之外做这类短期押注,就必然需要交易,而交易成本高昂。当你不仅考虑直接成本,还考虑你为请顾问帮你做这些决策而支付的成本时,成本就非常高了。因此,资产配置解释的了超过 100% 的回报,而对整个群体来说,市场择时和选股只会耗费成本并拉低群体的整体投资回报,这一点毫不奇怪。
If security selection is a zero-sum game, the amount by which the winner wins equals the amount by which the loser loses — winners and losers being defined by performance after a security selection that has been made — well, that sounds like a zero-sum game. But then, if you take into account that you create market impact when you trade, that you pay commissions when you trade and you frequently pay advisors substantial amounts of money — whether they're mutual fund managers or institutional fund managers — there's this leakage from the system that causes the active results for the community as a whole to be negative. Absolutely the same thing is true on the market timing front. I mean, to the extent that you're making these short-term bets against your long-term policy, it requires trading and trading is expensive. It's very expensive when you take into account not only the direct costs, but also the costs that you pay advisors to help you make these decisions. So, it's not surprising that asset allocation explains more than 100% of returns and that, for the community as a whole, market timing and security selection are costly and lower the community's aggregate investment returns.
这有点跑题,但过去二十年里,我亲眼看到的一件事是:流向资本所有者的那部分回报——从整个体系中漏出的比例——大幅增加了。想想对冲基金的兴起——二十、二十五年前,对冲基金不过是雷达屏幕上的一个小点。如今,它们在基金管理架构中占据着非常重要的位置。而那些对冲基金收取的费用,比标准的证券管理公司高出一大截。那么,这部分漏出——你支付给对冲基金经理的那 1.5% 或 2% 的管理费,再加上 20% 的业绩分成——真的极大地减少了可供资本所有者获得的回报。
It's a little bit of a digression, but one of the things that I've witnessed over the past twenty years is that the leakage of the — the leakage from the system in terms of the returns that go to the owners of capital — leakage has increased enormously. Think about the advent of hedge funds — twenty or twenty-five years ago, hedge funds were a blip on the radar screen. Today, they're a very important part of the fund's management framework. Well, those hedge funds charge enormously more than what a standard manage or marketable securities firm charges. Well, that leakage — that 1.5% or 2% that you pay your hedge fund manager — plus the 20% of profits really reduces the amount of return that's available for the owners of capital.
如果你采用资产配置策略,被动操作能获得的收益,与主动投资者的实际结果之间的差距——这两个数字之间的差值——正在随着时间推移变得越来越大,这为投资管理服务的提供者带来了越来越多的回报,而对于那些雇佣外部顾问的人来说,回报却越来越低。回到正轨,让我们来看看资产配置处于投资者决策过程核心这一观点的基本依据。
This idea that the difference between the returns that you would get if you took your asset allocation, implemented passively, and the actual results that the active investors get — the gap between those two numbers — is becoming larger and larger over time, generating more and more returns for the provider of investment management services and lower and lower returns for those that are hiring those external advisors. To get back on track, let's look at the basic underpinnings to this notion that asset allocation is at the center of the investor's decision-making process.
我们谈到了两点——这两点是我在演讲开始时建议大家在小组讨论中思考的假设性问题。第一点是关于股权偏向。现在,我们回到管理学院的罗杰·伊博森。他在描述较长时期内的资本市场回报方面做出了一些开创性的工作。我想你们已经看过相关资料了。
There are two points that we talked about — the hypothetical points that came out of the small group discussions that I suggested we might think about at the beginning of this talk. First, in terms of equity bias. Now, we're going to go back to Roger Ibbotson at the School of Management. He did some path breaking work in terms of describing capital markets returns over reasonably long periods of time. I guess you've already looked at
长期持有的股票
Stocks for the Long Run
你见过涵盖 200 年的数据。罗杰·伊博森的数据可以追溯到 1925 年,我们最初在做均值-方差优化模拟时,用的就是这些实际数字,试图判断耶鲁投资组合应该有哪些合理配置。你一定熟悉这个流程——你把 1 美元投入到不同资产类别,这个案例中,是在 1925 年底投入,持有这些资产类别 81 年,数据一直延续到 2006 年底。如果你把 1 美元放进国库券,最终变成 19 倍;听起来不错,81 年翻 19 倍。但如果你再考虑通胀消耗了 11 倍,而你像耶鲁这样的机构,只关心扣除通胀后的回报,那么把钱投在国库券上,其实没给你带来多少收益。
; you've seen 200 years worth of data. Roger Ibbotson's data goes back to 1925 and these are the actual numbers we used when we first started doing our mean-variance optimization in our simulations, trying to come to conclusions about what the appropriate allocations would be for Yale's portfolio. I'm sure you're familiar with the drill — you put a dollar into various asset classes, in this case, at the end of 1925 and hold those asset classes for, in this case, eighty-one years; the numbers go through the end of 2006. As you put a dollar in treasury bills, you end up with a nineteen multiple; that sounds pretty good. You get nineteen times your money over eighty-one years, but then if you take into account the inflation consumes a multiple of eleven and you're an institution like Yale that consumes only, after inflation returns, putting your money into treasury bills really didn't get you very much.
假设你把风险偏好再抬高一点,把 1 美元投到债券市场。在那 81 年期间,你会获得 72 倍的回报。好了,现在我们谈的是真正能用来消费的通胀后回报。但是,当你从借钱给政府——无论是短期国库券还是长期债券——转向投资股票市场时,回报上存在着惊人的差异。仅仅是把钱投入一个广泛分散的股票组合,你就能获得 3077 倍的回报。要是你再把风险偏好抬高一点,把钱投到一个小盘股组合里,你会获得 15922 倍的回报。所以,持有股票绝对碾压买债券——接近 16000 倍的回报,或者股票市场上超过 3000 倍的回报,相比之下,债券市场或国库券市场只有 72 倍或 19 倍的回报。
Suppose you step out in the risk spectrum and put a dollar into the bond market. Over that eighty-one year period you would have gotten a multiple of seventy-two. Well, now we're talking some real after inflation returns that can be umed. But, when you move from lending money to the government — either short-term with bills or longer term with bonds — to investing in the equity market, there's a stunning difference in terms of the returns. Just by putting money into a broadly diversified portfolio of stocks you would have gotten 3,077 times your money. If you would have stepped further out of the risk spectrum and put your money into a portfolio of small stocks you would have gotten 15,922 times your money. So, ownership of stocks absolutely crushes buying bonds — almost 16,000 times your money or more than 3,000 times your money in the stock market as opposed to 72 times your money or 19 times your money in the bond market or the bill market.
第 3 章 将股权偏好平衡为明智的分散投资 [00:16:44]
Chapter 3. Balancing the Equity Bias into Sensible Diversification [00:16:44]
这几乎让人怀疑多元化到底有没有意义。我的意思是,你为什么要这么做?如果股票能给你带来 16000 倍的回报,你为什么还要把任何资产放在债券里?债券那 72 倍的回报率简直就是拖累——这有什么意义?这个问题,尤其在 20 世纪 80 年代末,对我来说具有特别重要的意义,因为我们正试图为耶鲁大学构建一个明智的投资组合,如果这个明智的投资组合仅仅包括识别出高风险资产类别,然后把所有资产投进去,比如说,投进小盘股,那投资委员会用不了多久就会发现,他们根本不需要付钱给我来做这件事;他们自己就能搞定。而如果他们不需要付钱给我,那我就没有收入来养家糊口了。所以,这里面的学问肯定不仅仅是识别出高风险资产类别,然后把钱投进去,坐等结果。
It almost makes you wonder whether this diversification thing makes any sense. I mean, why would you do that? Why would you put any of your assets in bonds if stocks are going to give you 16,000 times your money? That bond multiple of 72 is just a drag on returns — what's the point? This question, particularly in the late 1980s, was very important to me personally because we were trying to put together a sensible portfolio for Yale and if that sensible portfolio just involved identifying the high-risk asset class and putting all your assets into, let's say, small stocks, it wouldn't take the investment committee very long to figure out that they didn't need to pay me to do that; they could do that on their own. And if they didn't need to pay me, then I wouldn't have any income to put food on the table for my wife and children. So, there had to be more to it than just identifying the high-risk asset class and putting your assets there and letting it rip.
我回头仔细看了看罗杰·伊博森的数据,里面有很多例子能说明这一点,但最戏剧性的发生在 1929 年 10 月崩盘前后。你在市场顶峰时投在小盘股上的每一美元,到 1929 年底就损失了 54%;到 1930 年底又损失 38%;到 1931 年底再损失 50%;到 1932 年 6 月底,再损失 32%。所以,你在顶峰时的每一美元,到了谷底只剩 10 美分。当你的美元变成一毛钱的时候,你一定会说:算了吧,这太荒唐了,持有这些高风险小盘股根本不合理。然后你就会卖掉小盘股,把钱投到哪里呢?要么是国债,要么是国库券。当然,这正是 1930 年代、1940 年代乃至 1950 年代绝大多数投资界人士的做法。
I went back and took a closer look at Roger Ibbotson's data and there are lots of examples that will illustrate this point, but the most dramatic occurs around the crash in October 1929. For every dollar that you had in small stocks at the peak of the market, by the end of 1929, you lost 54% of your money. By the end of 1930, you lost another 38% of your money; by the end of 1931, you lost another 50%; and by the end of — by June of 1932, you lost another 32%. So, for every dollar that you had at the peak, at the trough you had $.10 left. At some point, when your dollars were turning into dimes, you'd say, forget this, this is ridiculous, it doesn't make any sense for me to own these risky small-cap stocks. And you would sell your small stocks and put your money where? Either in treasury bonds or treasury bills. And of course, that's what the overwhelming portion of the investment community did in the 1930s, and in the 1940s, and in the 1950s.
只要人们对大崩盘前后股市那种灼烧般的经历还留有记忆,他们的反应就是:避开这种风险资产,受托人和个人投资者持有股票这种高风险东西简直毫无意义。实际上,我翻过一些当时的通俗读物,《星期六晚邮报》上有篇文章大致是这么说的——股票根本不该叫“证券”,这么叫太荒唐了,应该叫“不安全券”,因为它们风险太大了。当然,这种态度出现的时机恰巧糟透了。如果你在 1932 年 6 月把 1 美元投进小盘股,到 2006 年底,这笔钱会变成原来的 15.9 万倍。恰恰是在机会最大的时候,人们对股市的悲观情绪达到了顶峰。
As long as there was a memory of the searing experience that people had in the equity markets around the time of the great crash, people reacted to it by saying, avoid this risky asset, it doesn't make any sense for a fiduciary or for an individual to own these risky things called stocks. As a matter of fact, I was looking at some of the contemporary literature, the popular literature, and there was an article in the Saturday Evening Post that basically said, you shouldn't call stocks securities — that was a ridiculous thing to call them; they should be called insecurities because they were so risky. Of course, this attitude came at exactly the wrong time. If you put a dollar into small stocks in June of 1932, by the end of 2006, you would have had 159,000 times your money. Just at the point of maximum opportunity people were at the point of maximum bearishness about the equity markets.
可以吸取的经验是,对长期投资者而言,股权偏好绝对是合理的根基,但多元化也同样重要。你必须将高风险资产类别的敞口控制在即便面对极其不利的市场环境也能保持这些头寸的水平。
The take-aways are that an equity bias is an absolutely sensible underpinning for investors with long time horizons but that diversification is important. You have to limit your exposure to risky asset classes to a level that allows you to sustain those positions even in the face of terribly adverse market conditions.
第 4 章 择时交易的情绪陷阱 [00:20:48]
Chapter 4. The Emotional Pitfalls of Market Timing [00:20:48]
接下来谈第二点:择时交易。我其实有段引文要说。几个月前,我过去的一些学生——也是我过去的同事——在耶鲁俱乐部为我办了一场非常棒的聚会。我 80 年代末刚到耶鲁时,曾教过一门大型讲座课程,那门课的最后一讲总是围绕凯恩斯的内容展开。
Let's move to the second point: market timing. I actually have a quotation here. A few months ago, some former students of mine — former colleagues of mine — gave this very nice party at the Yale Club. I used to teach a big lecture class when I first got to Yale in the late 1980s and my last lecture always involved taking Keynes's
General Theory
General Theory
我引用凯恩斯——我觉得他是投资管理领域最精彩的作者之一——的时候,翻出这本书,发现折角已经很多了。实际上,这本来是个平装本,大概裂成了八到十块,而办这场派对的人还记得这事,就在庆祝会上把它送给了我。这让我犯嘀咕:他们是不是在暗示我该退休了?感觉像退休派对似的。可我觉得自己退休还太早。不过作为礼物,他们送了我一本凯恩斯著作的初版。
, and quoting from what I think is Keynes — is one of the most wonderful writers about issues surrounding investment management. This particular copy was pretty dog-eared; as a matter of fact, it was a paperback copy and I think it was in about eight or ten different pieces and the people that threw this party remembered that, so they gave me it at this celebration. It made me wonder if they were trying to tell that I should retire; it felt like a retirement party. I feel like I'm way too young to retire. But as a gift, they gave me a first edition of Keynes's
General Theory
General Theory
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后来我坐火车回纽黑文,偶然读到这么一句话。凯恩斯写道:“出于多种原因,大规模调仓的做法既不可行,也确实不可取。大多数试图卖出太晚、买入太晚,而且两者都做得太频繁的人,会因此承担高昂成本,并形成过于浮躁和投机的心理状态。” 他说得完全正确。我写第一本书的时候——这个我已经讲过了——
I was coming back to New Haven on the train afterwards and I came across this quote. Keynes wrote that, "The idea of wholesale shifts is for various reasons impracticable and indeed undesirable. Most of those who attempt to sell too late and buy too late and do both too often, incurring heavy expenses and developing too unsettled and speculative state of mind." He's absolutely right. I wrote my first book — I already talked about that,
《先锋投资组合管理》
Pioneering Portfolio Management
——这段文字谈的是机构投资者面临的挑战。之后,我写了一本书,书名是
— that deals with the challenges that face institutional investors. Subsequently, I wrote a book called
为个人投资者提供了《非常规成功》。
Unconventional Success that deals with individual investors. In
Unconventional Success
Unconventional Success
在 2000 年 3 月互联网泡沫破灭前后,我对投资者在共同基金申购赎回中的个体行为做了一项研究。具体做法是:选取 1997 年至 2002 年间业绩最好的十只互联网基金,考察它们的收益表现。我认为这个起点颇为惊人:如果看这十只基金从 1997 年到 2002 年的业绩,时间加权收益率是每年正 1.5% —— 也就是说基金先大涨后大跌,但每年 1.5% 的正收益,时间加权 —— 这个数字就是你会在招募说明书或广告里看到的那个数字 —— 所以你会觉得,没什么大不了的,没造成伤害。然而还有另一种衡量收益的方式 —— 金额加权收益率 —— 这种方式实际上能更准确地描述参与这些基金的投资者群体的真实体验。
, I did a study of individual behavior in their mutual fund purchases and sales around the collapse of the Internet bubble in March of 2000. What I did was I took the ten best-performing Internet funds and looked at the returns from 1997 to 2002. Now this is, I think, a surprising starting point. If you look at the ten best-performing Internet funds from 1997 to 2002, the time-weighted return is 1.5% per year positive, so the funds went way up and then they went way down. But it's positive 1.5% per year, time-weighted — that's the number that you see in the prospectus or the number that you see in the advertisements — so you say, what's the big deal, no harm no foul. Well, there's another way to look at returns — those are the dollar-weighted returns — and the dollar-weighted returns actually do a better job of describing the experience of the group of investors that participated in these funds.
按美元加权计算,自然会考虑资金流入和流出的时间点。当你计算美元加权回报率时,你会发现这些基金共吸引了 137 亿美元的投资,而投资者在这 137 亿美元中亏掉了 99 亿美元;也就是说,投入这些基金的钱有 72% 打了水漂。由于我们处理税收和共同基金的方式,即便你并未在投资经理实现收益期间持有相关份额,你仍可能因经理调仓所实现的收益而收到税单。因此,除了损失 99 亿美元之外,还有 33 亿美元的资本利得分红,约占投入资金的 24%。这真是雪上加霜——你损失了 72% 的本金,然后还要为投入金额的 24% 交税;这经历可一点也不愉快。
Dollar-weighted obviously takes into account when the cash flows come in and when they go out. When you do the dollar-weighted returns, you find out that there was $13.7 billion invested in these funds and the investors lost $9.9 billion out of the 13.7 that they committed; so, 72% of the money that was invested in these funds was lost. Because of the way that we deal with taxes and mutual funds, you can get a tax bill for gains that were realized by the investment manager turning over the portfolio even though you might not have held the shares during the period when the gains were realized. So, in addition to losing $9.9 billion, there were capital gains' distributions of $3.3 billion dollars representing about 24% of the money that was invested. So, adding insult to injury, you lost 72% of the money and then you got a tax bill for 24% of the amount that had been put in; not a very happy experience.
在我写完那本书之后,晨星公司对他们追踪的每一个股票类别都做了一项更为全面的研究。他们追踪了 17 个股票型共同基金类别,并将美元加权回报率与时间加权回报率做了对比。在这 17 个类别中,每一个类别的美元加权回报率都低于时间加权回报率。这究竟是怎么回事呢?原因和那些互联网科技基金投资者赔钱的方式如出一辙——他们在基金上涨之后买入,又在基金下跌之后卖出。当你高买低卖时,哪怕你做这件事的热情再高、交易量再大,也几乎不可能产生收益。晨星的这项研究,对个人投资者的择时能力来说,堪称一记毁灭性的打击。
After I wrote the book, Morningstar did a much more comprehensive study of every single one of the equity categories that they follow. There were seventeen categories of equity mutual funds and they compared the dollar-weighted to the time-weighted returns. In every one of those seventeen categories, the dollar-weighted returns were less than the time-weighted returns. Well, how does that happen? The same way that these investors and the Internet tech funds lost their money. They bought after the funds had gone up and they sold after they had gone down. When you buy high and sell low it's really hard to generate returns, even if you do it with great enthusiasm and great volume. The Morningstar study is incredibly damning in terms of the market timing abilities of individual investors.
系统性地,投资者总是在上涨之后买入,下跌之后卖出——而在那些波动最剧烈的基金中,这个问题最为严重。晨星公司所谓的“保守配置基金”中,两者之间的年化差距为 0.3%。这个数字不算大,但显然,当你指望跑赢市场一两个百分点时,因为自身择时能力不行而每年损失 0.3%,可不是什么好事。可如果你看看科技基金类别,美元加权回报和时间加权回报之间的差异——这是十年期的数据——每年高达 13.4%;这太惊人了。把 13.4% 按十年复利计算,基金招募说明书和广告里的数字——时间加权回报——与反映投资群体实际体验的美元加权回报之间的差距,简直大得惊人。我可不只是要拿散户说事,机构投资者也不例外。我在写第一本书时做过的一项研究——
Systematically, investors are buying after things have gone up, selling after they've gone down, and the problem is most severe in those funds that show the greatest volatility. The gap in what Morningstar calls the "conservative allocation fund" is .3% per year. Now, that's not a huge number but, obviously, when you're hoping to beat the market by a point or two, losing by .3% per year because of your market timing inability is a bad thing. But if you look at the tech fund category, the difference between the dollar-weighted and the time-weighted returns — this is over a ten-year period — is 13.4% per annum; that's stunning. Compound that 13.4% over ten years and there's just an enormous gap between those mutual fund numbers that are in the prospectus and in the advertisement — the time-weighted returns and the dollar-weighted returns that talk about the actual experience of the investment community. I'm not just going to pick on individual investors, I'm going to pick on institutional investors too. One of the studies that I did for my first book,
开创性投资组合管理
Pioneering Portfolio Management
我在 1987 年 10 月市场崩盘期间观察了各大学捐赠基金和基金会的表现。我过去常谈论 1987 年 10 月的崩盘,但没有解释它具体是什么,而且我现在仍在秋季给经济学系上一门研讨课。我开始讲 1987 年 10 月发生的事情,然后环顾教室,意识到那些学生在 1987 年大概只有三四岁,当时还不会读书认字。
, looked at the behavior of endowments and foundations around the crash in October 1987. I used to talk about the crash in October 1987 without explaining what it was and I do still teach a seminar in the economics department in the Fall. I started talking about what happened in October 1987 and I looked around the room and I realized that I think the students were three or four years old in 1987 and weren't yet reading
《华尔街日报》
The Wall Street Journal
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简单说一下背景,这场崩盘确实是个极其罕见的事件。据我计算,这属于二十五个标准差的事件。一个标准差是每三次出现一次,两个标准差是每二十次出现一次,三个标准差是每一百次出现一次。八个标准差的事件是每六万亿次试验才出现一次。二十五倍标准差的事件,你根本找不到一个数字来形容——这个数字太大了,我估计我们谁都想象不出来。本质上,这次股价暴跌——单日股价暴跌——在美国,具体看你参考哪个指数,一天之内下跌了 21% 到 22%。有趣的是,全球多数主要市场也出现了差不多的跌幅。这种单日股价崩盘,理论上几乎是不可能发生的。当然,这只是股价的变动,跟经济基本面或企业前景的任何根本变化都没有关系,纯粹是一次金融事件。
So, just to give you a little bit of context, the crash was really an extraordinary event. According to my calculations it was a twenty-five standard deviation event. One standard deviation happens one draw out of three, two standard deviations one out of twenty, three standard deviations is one out of one hundred. An eight standard deviation event happens once out of every six trillion trials. You can't come up with a number to describe the twenty-five standard deviation event; it's just too large a number, I think, for any of us to really comprehend. In essence, this collapse in stock prices — the one-day collapse in stock prices — I think in the U.S. the price was, depending on which index you were looking at, were down 21-22% in a single day. Interestingly, most major markets around the world were off by a similar magnitude. This one-day collapse in stock prices was a virtual impossibility. Of course, this was just a change in stock prices; it wasn't related to any fundamental change in the economy or any fundamental change in corporate prospects. It was just a financial event.
顺便说一句,如果股票价格下跌——债券价格就会上涨。当人们在抛售股票时,资金总得有个去处。嗯,它们流入了债券市场。1987 年 10 月 19 日,国债出现了一轮大幅上涨。所以股票更便宜了,债券更贵了。那你会怎么做?你买便宜的东西,卖掉贵的东西。但捐赠基金和基金会是怎么做的呢?如果你查看一下它们 1987 年 6 月的资产配置年度报告,会发现它们的股票配置比例达到了十五年来的最高点。70 年代是投资股票的糟糕时期,而 1982 年开启了牛市。我们当时已身处这轮牛市的第五年,人们对股票上涨兴奋不已,股票配置比例也升至十五年新高。当然,资金必须从某个地方来,所以债券配置比例降到了十五年来的最低点。
If stock prices went down — by the way, bond prices went up. When people were selling stocks, money had to go somewhere. Well, it went into the bond market. There was a huge rally in treasury bonds on October 19, 1987. So, stocks were cheaper and bonds were more expensive. Well, what do you do? You buy what's cheap and sell what's expensive. But what did endowments and foundations do? Well, if you look at the annual reports of their asset allocation, in June of 1987, their equity allocation was higher than it had been for fifteen years. The '70s were a terrible time to invest in stocks, a bull market had started in 1982. We were five years into this bull market and people were getting excited about the fact that stocks were going up and equity allocations were at a fifteen-year high. Of course, the money had to come from somewhere, so bond allocations were at a fifteen-year low.
快进到 1988 年 6 月 30 日,股票配置比例下降了,不仅下降了,而且降幅超过了 1987 年 10 月 19 日股市崩盘时股票本身的跌幅。债券配置比例的增长,也无法用当年债券价格的上涨来解释。你能得出的唯一结论是:这些所谓的成熟机构投资者,在 11 月、12 月和 1 月卖出股票,是因为恐惧;他们在 10 月、11 月和 12 月买入债券,也许是因为恐惧,也许是因为贪婪。情绪主导了决策,而不是理性的经济算计。代价是巨大的——不仅是股票转向债券的即时成本。这些机构直到 1993 年,足足六年之后,才把债券配置比例降回到 1987 年 10 月崩盘前的水平。而这一切都发生在有史以来最大的牛市之中。你当然可以计算这个牛市——从 1982 年到 2000 年,有些人会说 2000 年只是一个短暂波动,我们仍处在这个牛市里。但无论你怎么衡量,在这个牛市的整整六年里,大学捐赠基金的固定收益配置比例,相对于 1987 年 6 月的水平,都是超配的。
Fast forward to June 30, 1988 and stock allocations had dropped and, not only had they dropped, they dropped by more than the decline in stock prices associated with this collapse in October 19, 1987. Bond allocations had increased by more than could be explained by the increase in bond prices over the course of the year. The only conclusion that you could draw is these supposedly sophisticated institutional investors sold stocks in November and December and January because they were fearful and they bought bonds in October, November, and December — maybe because they were fearful or maybe because they were greedy. Emotion ruled the decisions, not rational economic calculus. The costs were huge — not just the immediate costs in terms of the move from stocks to bonds. It took these institutions until 1993 — a full six years — to get their bond allocation back down to where it had been prior to the crash in October 1987. And this is in the context of one of the greatest bull markets ever. You certainly have to measure the bull market, from 1982 to 2000 and some people would say that 2000 was just a blip and we're still in this bull market. But regardless of how you measure it, for a full half-dozen years, in the midst of this bull market, colleges and universities were over-allocated to fixed income relative to where they had been in June of 1987.
结论就是:不要试图择时。择时决策背后的驱动力似乎是情绪——恐惧、贪婪、追逐业绩——涨了才买,跌了就失望、卖出。而理性做法恰恰相反:在某个资产看起来相对有吸引力时加大投入,然后逆风而行,卖出那些表现已经不错的品种。
The take-away is to avoid market timing. The underlying driving force behind market timing decisions seems to be emotional — fear, greed, chasing performance — buying something after it has gone up, disappointment, and sales after something has declined. As opposed to rationally stepping up when something appears relatively attractive and overweighting and then leaning against the wind by selling something that's performed well.
第 5 章:证券选择中的幸存偏差与回填偏差 [00:32:58]
Chapter 5. Survivorship and Backfill Biases in Security Selection [00:32:58]
收益的最后来源——证券选择。我们已经讨论过证券选择是一场零和游戏。你要在市场上超配福特汽车公司,唯一的办法就是有人持有相反的头寸、低配福特汽车公司;两者之中只有一个会是对的。判断标准是后续表现:赢家赢的金额等于输家输的金额,但参与这场游戏的成本很高。事实上,看看投资经理和对冲基金收取的费用,参与游戏的成本越来越高。因此,把市场冲击、佣金和费用都算进去之后,这场零和游戏就变成了一场负和游戏。
Final source of returns — security selection. We've already talked about how security selection is a zero-sum game. The only way that somebody can overweight Ford Motor Company in the market is to have somebody have a counter position where they underweight Ford Motor Company; only one of those is going to be right. It's measured by subsequent performance in the amount by which the winner wins equals the amount by which the loser loses, but it costs a lot to play the game. As a matter of fact, it costs an increasing amount to play the game when you look at the fees that are paid to investment managers and hedge funds. So, after taking into account the market impact, and the commissions, and the fees, this zero-sum game becomes a negative-sum game.
当你审视机构的回报时,看到的结果正是你预料之中的。这里有弗兰克·罗素公司提供的十年数据,基准是威尔希尔 5000 指数。截至 2005 年 6 月 30 日的十年间,该指数年化回报率为 9.9%,而主动管理型股票基金的平均年化回报率是 9.6%,所以我们又回到了那 30 个基点。也许机构平均损失 30 个基点,但这有点像沃贝冈湖效应——我们都相信自己高于平均水平,所以我们会努力跨越那 30 个基点,这并非什么不可逾越的障碍。当你审视这些由主动管理型基金经理创造的历史回报时,有一个非常重要的现象需要你考虑进去。无论我们作为个体投资者所能接触到的共同基金经理群体,还是我刚刚引用的机构数据,这一点都成立:这个概念就是生存偏差。
When you look at the returns for institutions, you see exactly what it is that you'd expect. Here's ten years worth of data from the Frank Russell Corporation, the benchmark Wilshire 5000. For the ten years ended June 30, 2005, it returned 9.9% per year and then the average return for the actively managed equity fund was 9.6% per year, so we're back to that thirty basis points. Maybe on average institutions lose thirty basis points, but it's kind of Lake Wobegon, where we all believe that we're better than average, so we're going to overcome that thirty basis points — that's not such a big hurdle. There's a very important phenomenon that you need to take into account when you look at these histories of returns that are generated by active managers. This is true whether you look at the universe of the mutual fund managers that we might have available to us as individuals or whether it's institutional data, such as those that I just cited; that concept is survivorship bias.
展示在近十年的数字,全都是那些至今仍在运营的公司。在这十年里,很可能有一些公司已经倒闭了。那么,你觉得哪些公司倒闭了呢?肯定不是那些业绩优异的企业。这个问题在共同基金领域更为严重,因为基金公司玩了一个相当狡猾的游戏。如果某只基金业绩不佳,它们有时会让它体面地消亡——尽管这种情况不常发生。更常见的做法是,它们把业绩差的基金与一只业绩更好的基金合并。于是,差基金的业绩记录突然消失,资产被并入一只具有更优记录的基金——而这份记录是真正可以用来营销的。然后我们看统计数据时,只看到大量资产集中在那只业绩良好的基金里,而那只因合并而消失的差基金,已经不复存在了。
The only numbers that appear for the trailing ten years are numbers that are associated with firms that are still in business. There were probably a number of firms that, over that ten-year period, went out of business. Now, which firms do you think went out of business? Not the ones that are producing great results. The problem is even more severe when you're looking at mutual funds because there's kind of a cynical game that mutual fund management companies play. If they have an underperforming fund, sometimes they allow it to die a dignified death; although, that doesn't happen very often. What they usually do is they take the underperforming fund and they merge it with one that has a better track record. All of a sudden the underperforming fund's record disappears and the assets are in a fund that has a better record — a record that you can actually market. Then when we look at the statistics, all we see are a lot of assets in the fund that performed well and the underperforming fund that was merged out of existence isn't there anymore.
这种幸存者偏差影响有多大?看看弗兰克·罗素的数据就知道了 —— 我刚才引用的是截至 2005 年 6 月 30 日的十年回报数据,也就是说这个时期从 1996 年开始 —— 那么,1996 年有 307 家投资经理上报了回报数据。到了 2005 年,只剩下 177 家上报,也就是说有 130 家经理消失了。实际上,消失的经理数量还不止 130 家,因为除了幸存者偏差,还有所谓的回溯偏差。当一个新经理在十年期的中途出现时,他们不仅会录入新数据,还会把这位经理的历史业绩也补到数据库里。这么做会让数据朝哪个方向偏?答案是会让数字膨胀,因为只有那些愿意举手说“嘿,我搞了一套有趣的新方法来管理国内股票”——或者不管什么资产类别——的经理,都是已经取得了成功的人。
How important is this survivorship bias? If you look at the Frank Russell data — and I just cited ten-year returns ending June 30, 2005, so that period started in 1996 — well, in 1996 there were 307 managers that reported returns. By the time 2005 rolled around, there were only 177 managers that reported returns, so 130 managers disappeared. Now, more than 130 managers failed because, in addition to survivorship bias, there's something called backfill bias. That's when a new manager appears subsequent to the beginning of the ten-year period; they'll put not only the new numbers in, but they'll take the history of the new manager and put that history into the database. Which direction is that going to move the numbers? Well, that's going to inflate the numbers too because the only managers that kind of raise their hand and say, hey I've got this interesting new approach to managing domestic equities — or whatever the asset class is — are the ones that have succeeded.
你这里既有生存者偏差(剔除差业绩的记录),又有回填偏差(加入好业绩的记录)。这两者共同导致主动管理基金的整体回报看起来比实际情况要好,因为这里面有很多数据跟机构投资者的平均经历——就这个例子而言——根本不沾边。有时候数字的差异还挺惊人;我是说,2000 年是市场大动荡的一年,因为互联网泡沫就是在那年破裂的。如果你看国内股票收益率——2000 年报告的平均收益率——是 -3.1%。然后快进到 2005 年,再看 2000 年报告的平均收益率,它变成了 +1.2%。所以,生存者偏差和回填偏差叠加在一起,使得那一年差了 4.3 个百分点。按照 2000 年当时的报告,数字是 -3.1%,但如果你看 2005 年报告的数字,因为差业绩记录消失了、好业绩记录加了进来,那一年平均收益率一下子就变成了 +1.2%。这一点极其重要,因为,当你看到我们最初给出的那个数字——基准收益是 9.9%,但扣除费用后基金经理平均只落后 30 个基点(即 0.3%)——你可能会说,嗯,这个游戏我还愿意玩。然后,如果你再调整生存者偏差,最终你会得出结论:落后幅度不是 0.3%,实际上达到了 2%。
You've got survivorship bias taking out bad records and then you've got backfill bias adding good records. They both cause the universe of active management returns to appear to be better than the reality because there's a lot in there that doesn't have anything to do with the average experience of, in this case, an institutional investor. Sometimes the numbers can be pretty dramatic; I mean, 2000 was a year of great flux in the markets because that's when the Internet bubble burst. If you looked at the domestic equity return — the average return that was posted in 2000 — it was -3.1%. Then if you fast forward to 2005 and look at the average return that was posted for 2000, it was +1.2%. So, the combination of survivorship bias and backfill bias for that one year made 4.3 percentage points difference. As reported contemporaneously in 2000, the number was -3.1% but if you look at the number reported for 2005, because bad records had disappeared and good records had been added, all of a sudden the average experience for that year went up to +1.2%. This is incredibly important because, when you look at this number that we started out with, saying the benchmark was 9.9 but net of fees the managers on average only lost thirty basis points — or .3% — you'd say, well that's a game I don't mind playing. Then if you adjust for survivorship bias, you end up concluding that the deficit wasn't .3% but the deficit was actually 2%.
在一个如果你能比市场多赢一两个百分点就已算胜利的世界里,平均下来反而落后整整两个百分点,这相当令人沮丧。这就是幸存者偏差和回溯偏差在相对成熟的资产类别——国内股票——中带来的问题。当你审视相对较新的领域,比如对冲基金世界时,这个问题甚至更为严重。为什么呢?如果对冲基金大约十五年前才成为主流,那么你当时能看到的历史是什么样的?十五年前你所能看到的唯一历史,就是那些创造了丰厚回报的基金,所以这都是事后才被识别出来的。至少在国内股票领域,你十年前的观察对象有一个相当稳定的基础,因此幸存者偏差和回溯偏差在对冲基金领域的问题要严重得多。
In a world where, if you could win by a percentage point or two relative to the market, to have the average be minus two full percentage points is pretty daunting. That's the kind of issue with survivorship bias and backfill bias in the relatively established asset class of domestic equities. The problem is even more severe when you look at something that's relatively new, like the hedge fund world. Now, why is that? Well, if hedge funds first became mainstream maybe fifteen years ago, then what are you looking at in terms of history? The only history that you would have had fifteen years ago would have been those funds that produced great returns, so it's all identified after the fact. At least in the domestic equity world you've got a pretty stable base that you were looking at ten years ago, so the survivorship bias and the backfill bias would be much, much more of a problem in the hedge fund world.
伯特·马尔基尔,他写过一本叫
Burt Malkiel who wrote a book called
《华尔街随机漫步》
A Random Walk Down Wall Street
那本书,你要是还没列进书单的话,真该找来翻翻,读起来很有意思,但同时也极具洞见。他研究了对冲基金领域的幸存者偏差和回溯填充偏差。他观察了一组对冲基金,1996 年时有 331 只,到 8 年后的 2004 年,其中 75% 已经消失了。针对这一特定群体,他估计幸存者偏差每年达 4.4%,回溯填充偏差每年达 7.3%。所以,我们谈论的是一组总体回报率大概在百分之十出头的基金,而他测出的幸存者偏差和回溯填充偏差合计每年就高达 11.7%。罗杰·伊博森研究了更大的一组基金——3500 只——跨越十年时间,发现幸存者偏差每年为 2.9%,回溯填充偏差每年为 4.6%。
, which if it's not on your reading list you ought to pick up and take a look at because it's really fun to read but it's also extremely insightful, took a look at survivorship bias and backfill bias in the hedge fund world. He looked at a group of hedge funds that numbered 331 in 1996 and by 2004, eight years later, 75% of them had disappeared. Looking at this particular group, he estimated survivorship bias to be 4.4% per year and backfill bias to be 7.3% per year. So, we're talking about a group of funds that in aggregate probably produced somewhere in the low teens returns and he's got 11.7% per year combined survivorship bias and backfill bias. Roger Ibbotson took a look at a larger group of funds — 3,500 — funds over a ten-year period and found survivorship bias at 2.9% per year and backfill bias at 4.6% per year.
所以,大量机构资金和个人资金正涌向这个对冲基金世界。你看对冲基金整体公布的回报——过去五到十年,它们通常每年有 12%、13%、14% 的收益。拿 伯特·马尔基尔 的数据来说,每年超过 11%;而用 罗杰·伊博森 的数据,这些年回报中每年有 7% 到 8% 可以用回填偏差或生存者偏差来解释。如果你从公布的数字里扣掉这些,那么实际投资于当时被定义为该群体的基金的投资者,其回报很低,可能只有中段个位数——远低于人们为承受这群特定主动管理人的风险所预期的水平。
So, huge amounts of institutional funds and individual funds are going into this hedge fund world. You look at the returns that are reported for hedge funds in aggregate — they're generally 12%, 13%, 14% per year for the last five or ten years. In the case of Burt Malkiel's data, more than 11% per year and in the case of Roger Ibbotson's data, between 7% and 8% per year of those returns can be explained either by backfill bias or survivorship bias. If you subtract those numbers from the reported numbers, the returns that the investors that were actually investing in the funds that are defined as part of the universe at the time are low, maybe mid-single digits — far less than people would expect for the amount of risk that they're taking to be exposed to this particular group of active managers.
第六章 寻找主动管理者的价值投资机会 [00:43:17]
Chapter 6. Finding Value Investing Opportunities as an Active Manager [00:43:17]
关于选股的最后一个观点,其实有点不一样。它涉及机会的规模大小。也就是说,一旦你决定做主动型经理,追求超越市场的策略,你怎么决定把时间和精力花在哪儿?我认为逻辑很清晰:如果你想战胜市场,就应该挑机会最大的地方去战胜。机会在哪儿最大?机会最大的地方,就是资产定价效率最低的地方。怎么找出定价效率最低的领域?不幸的是,金融经济学家并没有衡量市场效率的直接指标,但我认为,通过一组主动型经理的回报数据,我们可以讲出一个故事,引导你找到那些定价效率最低的资产类别。
The final point that I want to make with respect to security selection actually is a little bit different. It has to do with the degree of opportunity. This is once you've decided that you're going to be an active manager and try and pursue market beating strategies, how do you decide where it is that you want to spend your time and energy? Now, I think it's logical that if you're going to try and beat the markets, you'd want to beat the markets where the opportunity was greatest. Where's the opportunity greatest? The opportunity's greatest where assets are least efficiently priced. How do you figure out where things are least efficiently priced? Well unfortunately, financial economists don't have any direct measures of market efficiency, but I think there's a story that you can tell about groups of active manager returns that will help point you toward those asset classes that are least efficiently priced.
如果一个资产类别中,其组成部分的定价是有效的,那么想要获得超额收益就非常困难。事实上,如果一切都完美有效地定价,就不会有任何机会产生超额收益。而如果你进行主动押注——如果你押注与市场相反——那么你能否获胜,就与运气有关。在一个定价有效的资产类别中,基金经理们会如何行事?嗯,他们不会下大注,对吧?如果他们确实下了大注,也许能幸运一次、两次或三次,但最终他们的运气会用完。而一旦运气耗尽,他们就会交出糟糕的成绩,然后被炒鱿鱼。
If an asset class has constituents that are efficiently priced, then it's very hard to generate excess returns. As a matter of fact, if things were perfectly efficiently priced, there wouldn't be any opportunity to generate excess returns and if you make active bets — if you make bets against the market — then whether you win or lose has to do with luck. How are managers going to behave in an asset class where things are efficiently priced? Well, they're not going to make big bets, right? If they do make big bets maybe they get lucky once, or twice, or three times, but ultimately their luck is going to run out. And when their luck runs out, they'll post bad results and get fired.
你们怎么生存?你们靠表现得和市场高度相似来生存。哪些市场可能定价有效?债券市场总体而言,尤其是高质量债券,大概最容易估值。这纯粹是数学问题。国债,你不必担心违约。通常,你不必担心期权性或赎回条款,所以就是数学。你每六个月拿到票息支付,然后债券到期时拿回本金。因此,在国债市场或其他高质量债券市场,没有太多空间来产生超额回报。
How do you stay in business? You stay in business by looking a lot like the market. What market might be efficiently priced? The bond markets, in general, and the high-quality bonds in particular are probably easiest to value. It's all about math. The government bond, you don't have to worry about default. Generally, you don't have to worry about optionality or call provisions and so it's math. You're given coupon payments every six months and then, when the bond matures, you get your money back. So there's not a lot of room in the government bond market or other high-quality bond markets to generate excess returns.
再来看另一个极端。另一个极端是极难定义的市场。事实上,可能连一个能用来衡量回报的基准都不存在——你想想风险投资领域就知道了。在风投市场里,你怎么能跟住大盘?你做不到;这个市场极其特立独行。如果你做的是早期风投,你是在支持创业者和他们的想法,他们可能还在车库里创业。我是说,硅谷发生的这种浪漫故事,在很多情况下其实依然成立,但作为一个风险投资家,你绝对没有办法用指数化的方式去投资风投市场。要是你观察一下主动型基金经理群体的行为以及回报的离散程度,我认为这能让你多少了解到,这些个别资产类别中的资产,其定价究竟有多高效。
How about the other end of the spectrum? The other end of the spectrum is a market that is very hard to define. As a matter of fact, there might not even be a benchmark against which you can measure results and you'd think about the venture capital world. How do you hug the market in the venture capital world? You can't; it's very idiosyncratic. If you're doing early-stage venture investing, you're backing entrepreneurs and ideas and they're operating out of their garage. I mean, this romantic notion of what goes on in Silicon Valley actually still holds true in a lot of cases but there's absolutely no way, as a venture capital investor, you could index the venture capital market. If you look at the behavior of groups of active managers and the dispersion of returns, I think it gives you some idea of what the efficiency is with which assets in these individual assets classes are priced.
正如我之前预料的,你看看债券市场——同样截至 2005 年 6 月 30 日,十年期主动回报——第一四分位和第三四分位的差距,在固定收益市场里每年只有 0.5%。这是一个极其紧密的回报分布。一半的回报落在一个 0.5% 的区间内。再往股票市场看,大型股的定价效率更难做到那么高——第一四分位到第三四分位差了 2 个百分点。小型股比大型股更难定价,所以第一四分位到第三四分位差了 4.7%。对冲基金世界是 7.1%,房地产每年 9.3%,杠杆收购每年 13.7%——这是十年的数据,所以我们开始谈论相当显著的离散度了。当然,在风险投资领域——所有资产中定价效率最低的——最高四分位和最低四分位之间差了 43.2%。
Just as I foreshadowed, if you look at the difference between the first and third quartile in the bond market — these are active returns over a ten-year period, again ending June 30, 2005 — and the fixed income market, the difference between first and third quartile is a half a percent per annum. That's an incredibly tight distribution of returns. Half of the returns are within a spread of a half-percent. Then as you move out to the equity markets where it's harder to price things as efficiently — large-cap stocks — there are two-fold percentage points, first to third quartile. Small-cap stocks are tougher to price than large-cap stocks, so there's a 4.7% differential, first to third quartile. The hedge fund world is 7.1% first to third quartile, real estate 9.3% per annum, leveraged buyouts 13.7% per annum — this is over a ten-year period, so now we're starting to talk about some pretty significant dispersion. Of course, in the venture capital world, the least efficiently priced of all, there's a 43.2% differential between the top quartile and the bottom quartile.
如果我要主动管理自己的投资组合,我是应该花时间和精力去打败债券市场吗?就算你能找到一位排名前四分之一的基金经理,前四分之一与后三分之一的回报率之间也几乎没什么差别。还是说,我应该把时间和精力花在寻找前四分之一的债券、前四分之一的房地产基金经理、并购基金经理或风险投资经理身上?我认为答案相当明显。你应该把时间和精力投入到定价最无效的资产类别上,因为识别出前四分之一的风险投资人会有巨大回报,而跻身优质债券领域的前四分之一却几乎没什么收益。
If I'm going to be active in terms of managing my portfolio, should I spend my time and energy trying to beat the bond market? Where even if you can find somebody who's going to be a first quartile manager, there's almost no difference between the first quartile return and the third quartile return. Or should I spend my time and energy trying to find the top quartile bond, top quartile real estate manager, or buyout manager, or venture capital manager? I think the answer is pretty obvious. You want to spend your time and energy pursuing the most inefficiently priced asset classes because there's an enormous reward for identifying the top quartile venture capitalist and almost no reward for being in the top quartile of the high-quality bond universe.
第 7 章。 耶鲁的投资组合与业绩 [00:49:02]
Chapter 7. Yale's Portfolio and Results [00:49:02]
综合结论是:在资产配置方面,你应该建立一个偏向权益的多元化投资组合。在市场时机把握方面,你不应该去做。在证券选择方面,做决策时——是采用被动管理还是主动管理——你要考虑自己的技能,也要考虑市场的效率。这一点在耶鲁的投资组合中是如何体现的呢?我们目前的投资组合中,11% 配置于国内权益,15% 配置于外国权益,4% 配置于债券,所以传统可交易证券占总资产的 30%。绝对收益投资组合——由一组力求产生基本不相关的回报的对冲基金构成——占资产的 23%;实物资产投资组合(包括林地、油气和房地产)占投资组合的 28%;私募股权(包括风险投资和杠杆收购)占资产的 19%。因此,70% 的投资组合配置于绝对收益、实物资产、私募股权——广义的另类投资。
The overall conclusions are that, with respect to asset allocation, you want to create an equity-oriented diversified portfolio. With regard to market timing, you don't want to do it. And with respect to securities selection, you want to consider your skills and you want to consider the efficiency of markets when you're making your decisions as to whether or not to pursue passive management or active management. Where did this lead us in terms of Yale's portfolio? Our current portfolio has 11% allocated to domestic equities, 15% to foreign equities, and 4% to bonds, so traditional marketable securities account for 30% of assets. The absolute return portfolio, which is a group of hedge funds that strive to produce fundamentally uncorrelated returns, accounts for 23% of assets; our real assets portfolio, which includes timber, oil and gas, and real estate, amounts to 28% of the portfolio; and private equity, which includes venture capital and leveraged buyouts, is 19% of assets. So, 70% of the portfolio is in absolute return, real assets, private equity, alternatives — broadly defined.
如果你拿着这个投资组合,用今天讲座开始时我们陈述的检验标准——权益导向和多元化——来检验它,这个投资组合显然是权益导向的:96% 的资产投资于某种我们预期在相当长时间内能产生类权益回报的载体。在多元化方面,有六类资产,权重在 4% 到 28% 之间。所以,如果你直接过来看一眼,并将其与我们开始时配置为 50% 国内股票、40% 国内债券和现金、以及 10% 少量另类资产的投资组合相比,你会说这是一个好得多的、多元化程度高得多的投资组合。结果还不错。过去二十年,我们实现了 15.6% 的年化回报率,但这个引人注目的数字显然很大程度上归因于投资组合的权益导向,并没有描述多元化的重要性。自 1987 年以后,我们没有经历过亏损年份——1987 年就是我之前提到的十月崩盘。那一年,我们在投资组合多元化方面还刚刚起步——这个计划我们只进行了两年——即便如此,负回报率也低于 1%,所以是一个温和的负回报。
If you take this portfolio and apply the tests that we articulated at the outset of the lecture today — equity orientation and diversification — the portfolio is clearly equity-oriented; 96% of assets are invested in some type of vehicle that we would expect to generate equity-like returns over reasonably long periods of time. In terms of diversification, there are half a dozen asset classes with weights that range between 4% and 28%. So, if you just came down and took a look at that and compared it to 50% in domestic stocks, 40% in domestic bonds and cash, and 10% in a smattering of alternatives, you'd say that this is really a much, much better diversified portfolio than the one with which we started. The results have been okay. Over the past twenty years, we've generated 15.6% per annum return, but that headline number obviously has a lot to do with the equity orientation of the portfolio but doesn't describe the importance of the diversification. We've had no down years since 1987 — 1987 that was the crash in October that I talked about earlier. In that year, we were early on in terms of diversifying the portfolio — we'd only been working on that program for two years — and even so, the negative return was less than 1%, so it was a modest negative return.
也许对投资组合更重要的检验是 2000 年互联网泡沫破裂时发生的情况。在截至 2001 年 6 月 30 日的财年和 2002 年,机构投资者的回报率在这两年平均都是负的,而实际上自 1987 年以来,耶鲁每年都获得了正回报。权益导向推动了回报,但多元化使我们能够以稳定的方式实现这些回报,这对像耶鲁这样需要稳定资金流来维持运营的机构来说,极为重要。1985 年我刚接手时,向运营预算的分配是 4500 万美元。这占收入的 10%,是整个世纪——整个二十世纪——的最低水平,收入的 10%。我们在截至 2008 年 6 月 30 日的财年中的支出是 8.43 亿美元——这占收入的 37%——而我们预计下一财年的支出是 11.5 亿美元。
Probably a more important test of the portfolio was what happened around the collapse of the Internet bubble in 2000. In the year ending June 30, 2001 and 2002, returns for institutional investors were on average negative in both of those years and actually in every year since 1987 Yale has had positive returns. The equity orientation drove the returns but the diversification allowed us to deliver those returns in a stable fashion, which is incredibly important for an institution like Yale that requires a steady supply of funds to finance its operations. When I started in 1985, the distribution to the operating budget was $45 million. That represented 10% of revenues and that was the lowest level for the entire century — the entire twentieth century — 10% of revenues. The amount that we're spending for the year ending June 30, 2008 is $843 million — that represents 37% of revenues — and we're projecting expenditures for the following year of $1.15 billion.
结果确实相当非凡。我最喜欢的衡量结果的方法,实际上是拿耶鲁所取得的成就,与我们过去二十年只获得平均回报本该有的情况进行比较。大学平均回报率与耶鲁回报率之间的差异,为耶鲁的金库增加了 144 亿美元。无论你是用增值的美元金额来衡量,还是用回报率来衡量,耶鲁在过去二十年里的业绩在所有大学和学院中都是最好的。所以,下面我很乐意回答你们可能提出的任何问题。
The results have been really quite extraordinary. My favorite way to measure the results is actually to compare what Yale achieved with what we would have had if we would have just experienced average returns over the past twenty years. The difference between the average return for colleges and universities and Yale's returns has added $14.4 billion dollars to the University's coffers. Whether you measure it in terms of dollars of value added or in terms of returns, Yale has the best record among colleges and universities for the past two decades. So with that, I'd be happy to take any questions that you might have.
第 8 章。 关于新投资、持续看涨与时间视野的问答 [00:54:48]
Chapter 8. Questions on New Investments, Remaining Bullish, and Time Horizons [00:54:48]
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大卫·斯文森教授:
Professor David Swensen:
问题是,如果一群耶鲁人成立了一家对冲基金,他们需要做什么才能说服我投资他们?多年来我们做的一件事是,对于支持那些不具备传统投资资历的团队,我们一直持开放态度。如果你去一家公司养老金计划或州养老金管理机构,他们会有一个非常官僚的流程——很可能是一份五十页或一百页的调查问卷要你填写,你必须和顾问打交道,还必须拥有十年或五年经审计的业绩统计数据。我们倾向于认为,那不是我们应该捞鱼的、最丰饶的池塘。我们认为,更有趣的投资机会往往在主流之外,与更具创业精神的公司、以及可能背景不那么传统的公司在一起。
The question is, if a group of Yalies started a hedge fund, what would they have to do to convince me to invest in them? One of the things that we've done over the years has been open-minded about backing groups that don't have traditional investment credentials. If you went to a corporate pension plan or a state pension manager, they'd have a very bureaucratic process — probably a fifty or hundred page questionnaire that you had to fill out, you'd have to deal with consultants, and you'd have to have ten years or five years worth of audited performance statistics. We tend to think that that's not the richest pond within which we should fish. We think that the more interesting investment opportunities are kind of outside of the mainstream with more entrepreneurial firms and ones that might have less traditional backgrounds.
话虽如此,我们也不会随便对简历看起来不错的投资经理下赌注;我们希望,投资管理公司建议我们支持的那个团队,在所投资的市场中展现出经过验证的运作能力。我想说,我们考察的一部分是硬性的定量因素,但可能比数字更重要的是软性的定性特质。这几乎就像你在童子军里寻找的对象一样。你需要正直的人。你需要品格无可置疑的人。你需要聪明、极其勤奋的人。在投资界,你需要一个真正痴迷于市场的人——一个不以尽可能致富来定义成功的人,因为,如果那是他的目标,他有很多方法可以发财,而这些方法与创造投资回报毫无关系。
That said, we just don't take flyers on people that we think have interesting resumes; we want to have a demonstrated ability to operate in the markets that the investment management firm is suggesting that we back. I would say, part of what we look at are hard quantitative factors, but probably more important than the numbers are the soft qualitative attributes. It's almost like what you looked for in a Boy Scout or a Girl Scout. You want people of high integrity. You want people of unimpeachable character. You want people that are smart, incredibly hard-working. And in the investment world, you want somebody who's really obsessed with the markets — somebody who doesn't define winning by getting as rich as they possibly can because, if that's their goal, there are all sorts of things that they can do to get rich that don't have anything to do with generating investment returns.
我们希望找到的人,是疯狂专注于击败市场、创造卓越投资回报的人。这是一个极其重要的区别,因为,想想看,如果你想要的是发财,你可以拼凑出说得过去的投资业绩,然后筹集到惊人的资金。规模是业绩的敌人。所以,那笔惊人的资金随后会损害基金经理继续创造优异回报的能力,但他们可以继续经营,并靠管理这笔庞大的资金收取费用。我们在寻找的那类经理,是致力于创造卓越回报的人,他们通常会筹集适度的资金,然后对新投资者关门,通过击败市场来衡量自己的成功,而不是通过为自己创造巨额的收费流。这是考察客观属性和主观特征的结合,并最终找到那些能成为大学好伙伴的人。
We want people who are maniacally focused on beating the markets, generating superior investment returns. That's an incredibly important distinction because, think about it, if what you want to do is get rich, you can put together a reasonable investment record and then raise staggering amounts of money. Size is the enemy of performance. So that staggering amount of money then impairs the fund managers' ability to continue generating excellent returns, but they can stay in business and collect the fees that they get for having this huge pile of money. The type of manager we're looking for is somebody who strives to generate excellent returns and they'll frequently raise modest amounts of money and close to new investors, measuring their success by beating the market not by generating huge flows of fees for themselves. It's a combination of looking at kind of objective attributes and subjective characteristics and finding people who ultimately will be good partners for the University.
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耶鲁的捐赠基金是如何应对房价下跌的?你说,如果我们投资房地产 [听不清]
How has Yale's endowment dealt with the falling house prices? You said, if we invest in real estate [inaudible]
大卫·斯文森教授:
Professor David Swensen:
问题是我们如何应对房价下跌。我们对住宅建筑商或住宅行业的直接敞口其实很少。我们大部分的房地产敞口是机构性的——收购办公楼——主要是在主要市场——中央商务区。所以,你会发现耶鲁在纽约、华盛顿特区、芝加哥、旧金山、洛杉矶的办公楼里都有权益,也有一些在二级市场,但主要集中在大都市的市中心区域。还有一些酒店投资、零售物业、少量工业物业——对个人住宅的敞口不多。我们偶尔会通过某种地块融资活动获得这种敞口,但这不是我通常喜欢的方式。
The question is how we've dealt with decline in housing prices. We don't have really much of any direct exposure to homebuilders or to the housing industry. Most of our real estate exposure is institutional — acquisitions of office buildings — largely in major markets — central business districts. So, you'd find Yale with interests in office buildings in New York, Washington D.C., Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, some in secondary markets as well, but predominantly in large metropolitan downtown areas. There are also some hotel investments, retail properties, smattering of industrial properties — not a lot of exposure to individual houses. The only way that we would get that occasionally would be through some sort of lot-financing activities, but that's not something that I've generally liked.
我认为,住宅行业总体上不是个好去处,因为它有时具有剧烈的周期性。我们确实持有大量的次贷抵押贷款支持证券空头头寸,这在过去九个月或一年里为大学带来了巨大的收益,并确实帮助保护了资产。我认为,总的来说——鲍勃·席勒对此比我更有发言权——这次泡沫并不应该让人感到意外。我认为大学已经很好地定位了自己,以利用这次其实并不意外的房价崩盘。
I don't think the housing industry, in general, is a good place to be because of its, sometimes, violent cyclicality. We did have a large, short position in subprime mortgage-backed securities, which has paid off enormously for the University and really helped protect assets in the past nine months or a year. I think that, generally speaking — and Bob Shiller can speak to this with a lot more authority than I can — this bubble was not something that should have surprised people. I thought the University positioned itself well to take advantage of this really not surprising collapse in housing prices.
这难道不是市场时机把握吗?我的意思是,这完全取决于你的视角。我认为,正如我所定义的,市场时机把握与偏离你的长期政策目标有关。我提到我们的国内权益目标配置是 11%。如果我下周到办公室,认为国内股票太高了——想把目标降到 8%——按照我描述的市场时机把握方式,那就会是一个市场时机把握的举动,我们非常小心不去做这种事。我们设定这些目标,每年审查一次,很多年都不做调整,它们相当稳定,当我们确实调整时,也不会调整很多。这并不意味着我们不主动管理投资组合。所以,如果我们看到某些领域特别有吸引力,我们很乐意配置资本,来利用我们认为便宜或昂贵的资产。
Isn't that market timing? I mean, it all depends on your perspective. I think market timing, as I've defined it, has to do with short-term deviations from your long-term policy targets. I mentioned that our domestic equity target was 11%. If I came to the office next week and decided domestic stocks were too high — I want to move that target down to 8% — in the way that I've described market timing, that would be a market timing move and we're very careful not to do that. We establish these targets, we review them once a year, we don't make changes in many years, they're quite stable, and when we do move them we don't move them by a lot. That doesn't mean that we don't manage the portfolio actively. So, if we see areas that are particularly interesting, we're more than happy to deploy capital to take advantage of what we think are cheap assets or expensive assets.
1999 年和 2000 年,我们对互联网股票下了一个大赌注,为大学赢得了丰厚利润。就像我提到的,过去几年,我们下了一个大赌注,认为信用利差——无论是在抵押贷款市场还是公司债市场——都太窄了,我们认为,如果市场理性定价,这些利差会扩大,我们让自己处于从这种变化中获利的位置。今天,我们正在关注不良证券的机会。2005 年、2006 年和 2007 年初发放的很多贷款,利差都非常非常窄,现在有机会购买银行贷款,这些贷款处于资本结构的最高层,我们相信,对于价格在 80 多美分的贷款,最终能收回本金。如果最终能收回本金,几年后,你每投入 85 美分,就能获得利息并拿回 1 美元。如果市场给我们提供机会,我们非常乐意利用它们。所以,我们会做估值方面的赌注。我们会观察某些事物——比如板块——认为它们便宜或昂贵,然后利用这个机会;但至少就我定义市场时机把握的方式而言,它不会包含在那种定义里——不会包含在那个定义里。
We made a big bet against Internet stocks in 1999 and 2000 that was very profitable for the University. As I mentioned, there was a big bet that credit spreads, both in mortgages and in corporates, were way too narrow in the past couple of years and that — we thought that if they were priced rationally those spreads would widen and we put ourselves in a position to profit from that. Today, we're looking at opportunities in distressed securities. A lot of these loans that were made in 2005 and 2006 and early in 2007 were made at very, very narrow spreads and there are opportunities out there to buy bank loans, which are at the very top of the capital structure, that we believe will be money good for prices in the '80s. If it turns out that they're money good, you get your interest and you get $1 for every $.85 that you invested in a few years. If markets offer us opportunities, we're more than happy to take advantage of them. So, we will make valuation bets. We'll look at things — sectors — say they're cheap or expensive and exploit the opportunity; but at least in terms of how I define market timing, it wouldn't be included in that — it wouldn't be included in that definition.
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大卫·斯文森教授:
Professor David Swensen:
第一个问题是,耶鲁组合的贝塔系数是多少?这其实不是我们惯用的思考方式,但我确实认为,从统计角度看,大学投资组合的风险水平相当低——远低于传统上以可流通证券为主的投资组合的风险水平。之所以风险低,是因为我们拥有——我认为——更优的多元化配置,这切实降低了大学的风险。很多人看到耶鲁的投资组合会说,哦,这风险太大了,因为里面有风险投资,还有林地——我们持有的这些资产,单独看可能都有风险,但多元化的魔力就在于:如果你持有的是各自有风险但彼此相关性不高的资产,那么整个组合的风险水平就会相当低。我相信我们的投资组合风险水平确实很低。
The first question is, what's the beta of the Yale portfolio? That's not a way that we really think about it, but I do believe that the risk level of the University's portfolio is really quite low in statistical terms — much lower than the risk level that you'd have if you had a traditional portfolio dominated by marketable securities. The reason it's low is that we do have, what I think is, superior diversification and that really lowers the University's risk. A lot of people look at Yale's portfolio and say, oh it's risky because you've got venture capital and you've got timber — we have all these things that you might believe are individually risky, but part of the magic of diversification is if you've got things that are individually risky but they're not well correlated one to another, the overall portfolio risk level is quite low. I believe that we have quite a low risk portfolio.
问题的第二部分涉及我们对海外资产敞口的变化,这是我们非常感兴趣的领域。我们的海外敞口不仅限于有价证券投资——我提到这部分占基金资产的 15%——还包括房地产、杠杆收购和风险投资等领域的海外敞口。海外投资渗透到整个投资组合中,我认为这确实提供了相当有吸引力的投资机会,因为许多海外市场的定价效率低于美国市场。此外,我们的海外投资通常以美元以外的货币计价,这一事实也很有吸引力——对大学而言,这是一个很好的多元化工具。
The second part of the question dealt with the changes in our exposure to foreign assets and that's an area that we've been very interested in. Our foreign exposure is not limited to the marketable security exposure, which I cited as being 15% of the fund, but there's foreign exposure in real estate, there's foreign exposure in leverage buyouts, there's foreign exposure in venture capital. It's something that permeates the portfolio and, I think, provides really interesting investment opportunities because a lot of the foreign markets are less efficiently priced than those that you find in the U.S. And I think the fact that our foreign investments are generally denominated in currencies other than the dollar is also attractive — a good diversifying tool for the university.
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戴维·斯文森教授:
Professor David Swensen:
问题是,我们是否在寻找更多做空机会,因为经济似乎正步入衰退;我猜问题的第二部分是:在这种环境下,你如何依然保持看多立场。我认为最好的答案,是引用我同代人的一句话,他堪称业内最优秀的投资经理之一——塞思·卡拉曼,他在波士顿一家名为 Baupost 的基金工作,他说他的做法是“自上而下地担忧,自下而上地投资”。我读
The question was whether we were looking to take more short positions as the economy appears to be moving into recession and I guess the second part of the question was how do you remain bullish in this kind of environment. I think the best answer to that is a quote from one of my contemporaries, who I think is one of the best investment managers out there. A guy named Seth Klarman, who works at a fund in Boston called Baupost, said that what he does is worries top-down and invests bottom-up. I read
我每天早上读《华尔街日报》,也担心信贷危机,担心信用卡,担心汽车贷款,担心企业贷款,担心银行体系的偿付能力,然后我去工作,想办法找到我能找到的最好的机会。所以,从上往下的担忧是有帮助的,因为你不想把自己置于可能被某些不利的宏观或行业环境伤害的境地。但是,你不可能拿着 225 亿美元,在市场有吸引力的时候进去,没吸引力的时候出来。所以你只能说,好吧,这就是我们面对的宏观环境,我们要尽最大努力,从下往上,找出具体的、个体层面的机会来配置资金。
The Wall Street Journal every morning and I worry about the credit crisis, and I worry about credit cards, and I worry about auto loans, and I worry about corporate loans, and I worry about the solvency of the banking system, and then I go to work and I try and find the best opportunities that I possibly can. So, the worrying top-down helps because you don't want to put yourself in a position where you're going to get hurt by some adverse macro, sectoral circumstance, but there's no way that you can take $22.5 billion dollars and be in the markets when they're attractive and out of the markets when they're not attractive. So you just say, okay fine, this is the macro circumstance that we're dealing with and we're going to do absolutely the best job we can identifying individual, specific, bottom-up opportunities to deploy the funds.
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戴维·斯文森教授:
Professor David Swensen:
我认为其中一个问题是——问题是,在一个人人都说你可能在接飞刀的市场里,你怎么才能成功投资。你买入一只跌了 30% 的股票,但它还有 50% 的下跌空间。我觉得这归根结底跟时间跨度有关。特别是如果你有价值投资取向,你往往会买得早。如果你买入时依据的是扎实、稳健的基本面投资逻辑,而价格在你买入后跌了,那你得留有充足的弹药,以便在更低的价格上继续买入。同时,你要对自己的投资逻辑有足够信心,能在下跌中继续持有仓位,等待市场最终认可你发现的价值。
Well, I think one of the questions — -the question is how can you successfully invest in a market where, I guess, people say you might catch a falling knife. You buy something that's down 30% but it's got another 50% to go and I think it just has to do with time horizon. Particularly if you have a value orientation, you tend to buy things early. If you bought them with a good, sound, fundamental investment case and prices are down from where you made your purchase, have enough dry powder so that you can purchase some more at the now lower price but have enough confidence in your thesis to be able to hold the position through the decline and wait for the markets to recognize the value that you identified.
我认为金融市场最普遍的问题之一,就是投资期限过短。人们盯着共同基金季度回报率的做法,简直是极为病态的。我的意思是,你根本不可能指望一个人在一个又一个季度、一个月又一个月里持续交出超额的回报。市场上根本不存在那么显著的定价偏差,能在几周或几个月内就自行修正,所以玩这种游戏纯粹是犯傻。如果你把投资期限拉长到三年、四年、五年,那就会出现一大堆投资机会,而这些机会是那些玩这种愚蠢短期游戏的人根本看不到的。所以,用你觉得有吸引力的价格买入一样东西,然后看着它跌了 20%、30% 甚至 40%,这根本不是什么大不了的事——这几乎应该算件好事,因为你还能以更低的价格加仓,只要最终你是对的,在三年、四年或五年的投资期限内,你的投资逻辑得到验证,你最终能盈利退出就行。
I think one of the most pervasive problems in the financial markets is investment with too short a time horizon. The fact that people look at quarterly returns of mutual funds is incredibly dysfunctional. I mean, there's no way that you can expect somebody quarter in and quarter out or month in and month out to produce superior returns. There just aren't pricing anomalies that are significant that are going to resolve themselves in a matter of months or weeks and so it's a silly game to play. By extending your time horizon to three years, or four years, or five years, it opens up a whole host of investment opportunities that aren't available to people that are playing this silly, short-term game. So, it's not a big deal to buy something at a price that you think is attractive, have it go down 20, or 30, or 40%; that ought to be almost a positive thing because you get a chance to add to the position of even lower prices, as long as you're ultimately right that sometime in the three-, or four-, or five-year time horizon you have your investment thesis proves out and you're ultimately able to exit the position at a profit.
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戴维·斯文森教授:
Professor David Swensen:
问题是关于房价指数的。这个问题我答不了,得留给鲍勃·希勒——在他面前我可不敢回答这种问题。好,非常感谢。
The question is about housing indexes. I'll defer those to Bob Shiller — I couldn't answer a question like that in front of him. Great, thank you very much.
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