伟大的预见者
乔治·索罗斯是本世纪最具标志性的金融家之一。1992 年,他“击垮”了英格兰银行;作为慈善家,他捐出 320 亿美元推动开放社会;作为政治斗士,他与唐纳德·特朗普和维克托·欧尔班交锋。然而,坐在长岛家中私密的花园里,展望即将到来的 90 岁生日,索罗斯心中仍有一丝挥之不去的疑虑:“人们并不了解我,”他坦言。
George Soros is one of the most iconic financiers of the century. He is the man who in 1992 “broke” the Bank of England, the philanthropist who has given away $32 billion to promote open societies, the political pugilist who has sparred with Donald Trump and Viktor Orban. And yet, sitting in his private flower garden at his home in Long Island, and looking ahead to his imminent 90th birthday, Soros has one lingering uncertainty: “people do not know me”, he confides.
他的怀疑情有可原。很少有人像索罗斯那样深陷阴谋论的漩涡,其中不少指控荒唐至极。索罗斯的父母在匈牙利纳粹盖世太保手下幸存,可他却被人污蔑为纳粹分子;他被错误地指控为 2007/2009 年金融危机的幕后推手;被说成是“道德灵活”的犹太人,甚至被指控为敌基督者。还有人声称,他正策划通过大规模组织非洲穆斯林移民,来摧毁欧洲的基督教信仰。
His doubt is understandable. Few people have been more subject to conspiracy theories, many of them absurd. Soros’s parents survived the Gestapo in his native Hungary and yet he has been called a Nazi; he has been falsely accused of being the architect of the 2007/9 financial crisis; of being a Jew of “flexible morals”, and even of being the Antichrist. He is claimed to be masterminding a project to wipe out Christianity in Europe by organizing the large-scale immigration of Muslims from Africa
这样的幻想清单可以一直列下去。令人费解的是,索罗斯如今竟成为了主导当今数字世界的彻底混乱、无知和恐惧的象征,左派和右派都在向他发起攻击。就连意大利的五星运动——一个由喜剧演员创立的草根左翼运动——也把他当成了敌人。
All fantasies, and the list could go on. Soros has mysteriously become a symbol of the utter confusion, ignorance, and fear that dominates the digital world today, with attacks coming both from the left and the right. Even the Five Star Movement in Italy, a grass roots leftist movement set up by a comedian, has identified him as an enemy.
这一切似乎并没有让索罗斯感到担忧。我们正坐在一个阴凉的庭院里喝着茶,大西洋吹来的微风带来阵阵凉意,中间隔着一块塑料隔板,遵循着新冠疫情期间保持社交距离的规定。对于针对他的某些攻击异乎寻常的恶毒,他给出了理性的解释。“这些阴谋论有好几条脉络”,他平静地说。“其一是说,我建立了一个实际上覆盖全球大部分地区的基金会。这正好符合了当时所谓的‘犹太-布尔什维克全球阴谋’的说法。现在,它被简单地称为‘犹太阴谋’。”
None of this seems to worry Soros. We are sipping tea in a shady courtyard cooled by the breeze coming in from the Atlantic Ocean, with a plastic partition between us in observance of the COVID-19 distancing rules. He has a rational explanation for the unusual viciousness of some of the attacks on him. “There are several strands of these conspiracies”, he says quietly. “One is that I have built a foundation that actually covers most of the globe. That fits the idea of what was at the time called a Judeo-Bolshevik global conspiracy. Now it’s just called a Jewish conspiracy”.
他想清楚表明,自己并非政客,而是一个在世界各地投身众多事业的有信念之人,而这些事业的支持者们发现,在国际上共有一个敌人颇为便利。他解释道,这揭示了一个简单的事实:“确实存在一场真正的国际阴谋针对我。所以,当我在全球范围内为开放社会挑战同样的问题——比如歧视、种族排斥、极权政权时,我并非在密谋,而是在公开推进我一生的事业。而我的敌人们互相学习,他们用类似的手法一起攻击我。”
He wants to make clear that he is not a politician but a man of conviction engaging in many causes all over the world, and that proponents of those causes find it convenient to share the same enemy internationally. This explains one simple truth, he says “there is an actual, genuine international conspiracy against me. So, when I am challenging the same issues for an Open Society throughout the world, like discrimination, racial exclusion, totalitarian regimes, I am not conspiring, I am openly bringing forward the mission of my life. And my enemies learn from each other. And they attack together using similar techniques”.
这就是为什么,在关于他的诸多假新闻满天飞的时候,索罗斯迫切地想要告诉世人他究竟是谁。于是,他的故事这样开始:“我于 1930 年出生于布达佩斯的一个中产阶级犹太人家庭。和许多其他犹太人一样,若非我父亲比大多数人更早察觉到即将发生什么,我很可能在 1944 年 3 月纳粹德国占领匈牙利时就已丧命。”
That is why, in the midst of so much fake news about him, Soros feels the urge to tell who he is. And so, his story begins: “I was born in 1930 into a middle-class Jewish family in Budapest. Like so many other Jews I could have perished in March 1944 when Nazi Germany occupied Hungary, if my father hadn’t understood better than most people what was going to happen”.
他父亲蒂瓦达尔和母亲伊丽莎白在匈牙利根基深厚,但到了 1936 年,随着全国反犹主义和民族主义情绪日益高涨,他们决定将原本的德裔犹太家族姓氏施瓦茨改为索罗斯,从而让自己不那么显眼地以犹太人身份出现。他父亲当时管理着一些房产,纳粹到来后,他为自家和相当数量的其他人安排了假身份证明和藏身之处。有些人若有能力就会付钱;手头拮据的人则会得到免费帮助。
His father, Tivadar and mother, Elizabeth had deep roots in Hungary, but in 1936, when antisemitism and nationalism were growing across the country, they decided to change the original German Jewish family name Schwarz to Soros, to become less visible as Jews. His father was managing buildings, and when the Nazis arrived he arranged false identity papers and hiding places, for his family and a fairly large number of others. Some would pay, if they could; those with fewer means would be helped for free.
“那是我父亲最辉煌的时刻,”索罗斯说,声音和眼神里都带着一丝激动。他用了一个多小时,回顾自己在匈牙利的童年岁月。然后追溯到更久远的时光:1918 年,布尔什维克革命期间,他的父亲提瓦达尔在西伯利亚逃离战俘营的冒险经历。
“It was my father’s finest moment” says Soros with a touch of emotion in his voice and eyes. For over an hour he goes back to the years of his childhood in Hungary. And goes further back in time: to his father Tivadar’s adventures, running away from a prisoner’s camp in Siberia, in 1918, in the midst of the Bolshevik Revolution.
在布达佩斯一处公共泳池的漫长午后,他和哥哥保罗(Paul)会听到这些故事。蒂瓦达尔(Tivadar)在西伯利亚集中营时学会了世界语。后来,蒂瓦达尔写了一本书——《西伯利亚的鲁滨孙们》(Crusoes in Siberia)——讲述他在俄罗斯的经历,以及他如何及时且冒险地逃出了集中营。
During long afternoons at a public swimming pool in Budapest, he and his brother Paul would hear these stories. When he was in the concentration camp in Siberia, Tivadar learned Esperanto. Later Tivadar wrote a book, Crusoes in Siberia, about his Russian experiences and his timely and adventurous escape from the camp.
在另一本书《假面舞会》中,蒂瓦达尔写道,他和他的社区如何在纳粹占领的德国与死亡共舞,以及他如何再次逃脱,这次还拯救了他的家人和亲近的圈子。显然,这些关于共产主义、极权主义和歧视危险的故事给年轻的乔治留下了深刻印象,他学到了一条关键教训,这条教训后来成为他终身的信条:预测事态走向是关乎生存的大事。这个教训他学得很好。
In another book, Masquerade, Tivadar writes how he his community were dancing around death in Nazi-occupied Germany and how he managed again to escape, this time saving his family and his immediate circle. It is clear that those stories about the dangers of communism, totalitarianism and discrimination made an impression on young George, who learned a key lesson that would become a mantra throughout his life: to anticipate the course of events is a matter of survival. A lesson well learned.
1947 年,轮到乔治咬紧牙关,逃离被苏联占领的匈牙利。他先是前往瑞士参加一场世界语大会。从这个起点开始,17 岁的他去了英国,进入伦敦政治经济学院学习。正是在 LSE,他遇到了卡尔·波普尔教授——这位出生于维也纳的哲学家,写下了《开放社会及其敌人》。“我选他做我的导师、我的引路人。我深受他思想和影响力的熏陶。我成为开放社会的坚定信仰者。我建立了一套基于‘可错性’和‘反身性’两大支柱的概念框架,这套框架至今仍是我人生的指导哲学。事实上,它是我预测事件走向的工具,也帮助我在金融市场取得了成功。我赚了很多钱。”
In 1947 it was George’s turn to bite the bullet and escape from USSR- occupied Hungary. He travelled first to an Esperanto conference in Switzerland. From there, at 17, he went to England where he attended the London School of Economics. It was at LSE that he met Professor Karl Popper, a Vienna-born philosopher, who wrote The Open Society and Its Enemies. “I chose him as my mentor, my tutor. I came under his influence, his thinking. I became a great believer in an open society. I developed a conceptual framework based on the twin pillars of fallibility and reflexivity which remains the guiding philosophy of my life. In fact, it is a tool to anticipate events and it also helped me with success in the financial markets. And I made a lot of money”.
他确实赚了很多钱。在捐出 320 亿美元用于慈善后,索罗斯个人仍保留着约 80 亿美元的财富。
He did make a lot of money. After giving away $32B in philanthropy, Soros retains a personal fortune of about $8B.
他的金融生涯始于 1954 年,在伦敦的 Singer and Friedlander 商人银行工作。1969 年,他在纽约以 400 万美元的出资设立了一只规模极小的基金,名为“双鹰”(Double Eagle)——这是最早的对冲基金之一。余下的便是历史了。
His financial career started in 1954 at the merchant bank Singer and Friedlander in London. In 1969, in New York, he set up a very small fund called Double Eagle with a $4MM investment – one of the first hedge funds. And the rest is history.
双鹰基金在 1973 年更名为索罗斯基金,之后又改为量子基金。1992 年,他发动了最大的一击——做空英镑,押注 100 亿美元。当时德国为统一融资,从市场大量借贷,给当时的欧洲货币体系带来了巨大压力。最终英镑崩溃,索罗斯赚了 10 亿美元。
Double Eagle became the Soros Fund in 1973 and later the Quantum Fund. In 1992 came his biggest coup, a bet of $10B shorting the British Pound. At the time Germany borrowed huge quantities in the market to finance reunification, creating enormous pressures on the then European Monetary System. Eventually, the Pound collapsed and Soros made $1B.
这场胜利悲喜交加,因为那笔交易中存在一个明显的矛盾:一个已经设立基金会支持欧洲的人,却为了自己的利益,愿意给他珍视的欧盟沉重一击。他完全否认这种指控。“1992 年,”他说,“我看到了一个机会,风险有限,但如果成功,回报却大得多。这是一场对我有利的不对称押注。我愿意拿全部资本赌一把。而且,我并非唯一这么做的人。我是个重要因素,但如果市场存在低效,那其他人也会投机。或许我做的规模相对于我的财富而言比其他人更大。”
The victory was bittersweet as in that deal there was an evident contradiction: the man who had already started a foundation to support Europe was also willing to deliver a blow to the Union he cherished for his own gain. This is a charge that he rejects completely. “In 1992” he says, “I saw an opportunity where the risk was limited, but the reward much bigger in case of success. It was an asymmetric bet in my favour. I was willing to risk my entire capital in betting on this. And I was not the only one doing it either. I was an important factor, but if the inefficiency was in the market then other people also speculated. Perhaps I did it on a larger scale than others did relative to my wealth”.
为了阐述他的风险观点,索罗斯回溯到 1979 年,当时他下了另一笔大赌注,承受着巨大压力。据他回忆,他在伦敦城的利德贺街上走着,为自己下的赌注寻找融资。“压力大到我以为自己要心脏病发作。结果是虚惊一场。但这让我想到,如果我死了,我就是个失败者,因为我会为了赚钱而丢掉性命。”最终,他的赌注失败了。
To explain his point about taking a risk, Soros goes back to 1979, when he made another important bet. He was under a great deal of pressure. As he recalls it, he was walking down Leadenhall Street in the city of London looking for financing for the bet he had taken. “The strain was so big that I thought I was going to have a heart attack. It was a false alarm. But it made me think that if I had died, I would have been a loser because I would have lost my life trying to make money”. Eventually his bet failed.
大约就是在那个时候,索罗斯决定创办他的基金会。光赚钱还不够;他明白必须有一个公益使命。他把重心放在欧洲——那里依然是他最担忧的地方。
It was around that time that Soros decided to start his foundation. Making money was not enough; he understood the need for a mission of the common good. He focused on Europe, still at the forefront of his worries.
他的使命是进一步发展他那位老导师关于开放社会的理念,强化民主、民权和教育的支柱。他有多成功,从网上那些民族主义势力对他的攻击就能看出。在他迎来 90 岁生日之际,令人悲伤的是,76 年前他在故乡布达佩斯躲过驱逐出境,而如今同样的民族主义、偏见和种族主义势力又卷土重来。正因如此,他的使命依然鲜活有力:历史确实在重演,但同样真实的是,我们可以有所作为。
His mission was to further develop his old mentor’s idea for an Open Society, strengthening the pillars of democracy, civil rights, education. That he was successful is clear from the attacks he receives online from the forces of nationalism. As he turns ninety, it is sad to witness that, 76 years after he was escaping deportation in his native Budapest, those same forces of nationalism, prejudice and racism are back. That’s why his mission is still alive and well: it is true that history repeats itself. It’s also true that something can be done about it.
ENDS.
ENDS.
INTRO TO Q&A
INTRO TO Q&A
乔治·索罗斯刚打完一场网球回来。90 岁的他仍然每周打三次。诚然,他现在在球场上的移动不如以前灵活了,但他仍能凭借完美的时机在网前抢分,而且发球双误时会发出一声吓人的咆哮抱怨。在即将满 90 岁的前几天,他状态极佳,比以往任何时候都更坚定地继续为开放社会而战。我们坐下来进行长时间采访时,我问他,如今新冠病毒打乱了地球上每个人的生活,他如何看待当前的局势。
George Soros, is just back from a tennis game. At 90 he still plays three times a week. Granted, he is less mobile on the court now, but he still manages to poach points at the net with impeccable timing, and when he commits a double fault while serving, he gives an intimidating roar of complaint. Days before turning 90 he is in perfect form and more determined than ever to continue his fight for an Open Society. As we sit down for a long interview, I ask him how he sees the current situation now that the novel coronavirus has disrupted the life of every person on earth.
A)我们正处在一场危机之中,这是我自二战以来经历过的、一生中最严重的危机。我会把它形容为一个革命性的时刻,各种可能性范围远超正常时期。正常时期无法想象的事情,不仅变得可能,而且真的在发生。人们感到迷失方向、充满恐惧,会做出对自己和世界都不利的事情。
A) We are in a crisis, the worst crisis in my lifetime since the Second World War. I would describe it as a revolutionary moment when the range of possibilities is much greater than in normal times. What is inconceivable in normal times becomes not only possible but actually happens. People are disoriented and scared. They do things that are bad for them and for the world.
你也困惑吗?
Q) Are you also confused?
A) 或许比大多数人稍微少一点。我建立了一套思考框架,这套框架让我比人群略微领先一点。
A) Perhaps a little less than most people. I have developed a conceptual framework that puts me slightly ahead of the crowd.
Q)那么您如何看待欧洲和美国的情况?
Q) So how do you see the situation in Europe and the United States?
A)我认为欧洲非常脆弱,比美国脆弱得多。美国是历史上延续时间最长的民主国家之一。但即便在美国,像特朗普这样善于蛊惑人心的骗子也能当选总统,从内部破坏民主。
A) I think Europe is very vulnerable, much more so than the United States. The United States is one of the longest-lasting democracies in history. But even in the United States, a confidence trickster like Trump can be elected president and undermine democracy from within.
但在美国,你们拥有制衡机制和既定规则的伟大传统,而最重要的是你们有宪法。所以我坚信特朗普只是一个过渡现象,希望会在 11 月终结。但他仍然极其危险,他正为自己的生存而战,会不惜一切代价保住权力,因为他已经在许多方面违宪,一旦失去总统职位,他将被追究责任。
But in the US you have a great tradition of checks and balances and established rules. And above all you have the Constitution. So I am confident that Trump will turn out to be a transitory phenomenon, hopefully ending in November. But he remains very dangerous, he’s fighting for his life and he will do anything to stay in power, because he has violated the Constitution in many different ways and if he loses the presidency he will be held accountable.
但欧盟更为脆弱,因为它是一个不完整的联盟。而且它有很多敌人,无论是内部还是外部。
But the European Union is much more vulnerable because it is an incomplete union. And it has many enemies, both inside and outside.
问题)内部敌人是谁?
Q) Who are the enemies inside?
有许多领导人和运动反对欧盟赖以建立的价值观。在两个国家,他们实际上已经掌控了政府——匈牙利的维克托·欧尔班和波兰的雅罗斯瓦夫·卡钦斯基。巧合的是,波兰和匈牙利正是欧盟结构性基金的最大受援国。但实际上,我最担心的是意大利。一位非常受欢迎的反欧洲领导人马泰奥·萨尔维尼曾一路高歌猛进,直到他高估了自己的成功并导致政府垮台。那是一个致命的错误。他的支持率如今正在下降。但他实际上已被意大利兄弟党的乔治娅·梅洛尼取代,而梅洛尼更加极端。目前的执政联盟极其脆弱。
A) There are many leaders and movements that are opposed to the values upon which the European Union was founded. In two countries they have actually captured the government, Viktor Orbán in Hungary and Jaroslaw Kaczyński in Poland. It so happens that Poland and Hungary are the largest recipients of the structural fund distributed by the EU. But actually my biggest concern is Italy. A very popular anti-European leader, Matteo Salvini, was gaining ground until he overestimated his success and broke up the government. That was a fatal mistake. His popularity is now declining. But he has actually been replaced by Giorgia Meloni of Fratelli d’Italia, who is even more of an extremist. The current government coalition is extremely weak.
它们之所以还能团结在一起,只是为了避免选举中反欧洲势力获胜。而意大利曾是最支持欧洲的国家,因为民众对欧盟的信任超过了对本国政府的信任。但现在民调显示,欧洲的支持者正在减少,支持留在欧元区的意愿也在减弱。但意大利是最大的成员国之一,对欧洲太重要了。我无法想象一个没有意大利的欧盟。大问题是欧盟能否向意大利提供足够支持。
They are only held together to avoid an election in which the anti-European forces would win. And this is a country that used to be the most enthusiastic supporter of Europe. Because the people trusted the EU more than their own governments. But now public opinion research shows that the supporters of Europe are shrinking and the support for remaining a member of the eurozone is diminishing. But Italy is one of the biggest member, it is too important for Europe. I cannot imagine a EU without Italy. The big question is whether the EU will be able to provide enough support to Italy.
问:欧盟刚刚批准了 7500 亿欧元的复苏基金……
Q) The European Union has just approved a €750B recovery fund…
答:没错。欧盟迈出了非常重要的积极一步,承诺以前所未有的规模从市场借款。但随后几个国家,即所谓的“节俭五国”——荷兰、奥地利、瑞典、丹麦和芬兰——设法让实际协议的效果打了折扣。悲剧在于,它们基本上是亲欧的,但非常自私。而且它们非常节俭。首先,它们促成的协议将证明是不够的。在气候变化和防务政策上缩减计划尤其令人失望。其次,它们还想确保资金被妥善使用。这给受疫情打击最严重的南欧国家制造了问题。
A) That’s true. The EU took a very important positive step forward by committing itself to borrow money from the market on a much larger scale than ever before. But then several states, the so-called Frugal Five – the Netherlands, Austria, Sweden and Denmark and Finland – managed to make the actual agreement less effective. The tragedy is that they are basically pro-European, but they are very selfish. And they are very frugal. And, first, they led to a deal which will prove inadequate. The scale back of plans on climate change and defense policy is particularly disappointing. Secondly, they also want to make sure that the money is well spent. That creates problems for the southern states that were the hardest hit by the virus.
问:你还相信欧洲永续债券吗?
Q) Do you still believe in a European perpetual bond?
答:我还没有放弃,但我认为要获得接受时间已经不够了。先让我解释一下永续债券为何如此有吸引力,然后探讨为什么这在目前是不切实际的想法。顾名思义,永续债券的本金永远不需要偿还,只需支付年度利息。假设利率为 1%,在德国能以负利率发行 30 年期债券的背景下这已经相当慷慨,1 万亿欧元的债券每年利息成本为 100 亿欧元。这带来了出奇低的成本效益比,1:100。而且,1 万亿欧元在急需时可立即到位,而利息是随时间支付的,时间越长其折现值越小。那么发行障碍在哪里?债券买家需要确信欧盟能够支付利息。这就要求欧盟拥有足够的资源(即征税权力),而成员国远未授权此类税收。“节俭四国”——荷兰、奥地利、丹麦、瑞典(现在加上芬兰成了五国)——挡在了路上。其实根本不需要实际征税,只要授权就足够了。简言之,这就是为什么发行永续债券不可能。
A) I haven’t given up on it, but I don’t think there is enough time for it to be accepted. Let me first explain what makes perpetual bonds so attractive and then explore why it is an impractical idea at the present time. As its name suggests the principal amount of a perpetual bond never has to be repaid; only the annual interest payments are due. Assuming an interest rate of 1%, which is quite generous at a time when Germany can sell thirty year bonds at a negative interest rate, a €1 trillion bond would cost €10 billion per year to service. This gives you an amazingly low cost/benefit ratio of 1:100. Moreover, the €1 trillion would be available immediately at a time when it is urgently needed, while the interest has to be paid over time and the longer out you go the smaller its discounted present value becomes. So what stands in the way of issuing them? The buyers of the bond need to be assured that the European Union will be able to service the interest. That would require that the EU be endowed with sufficient resources (i.e. taxing power) and the member states are very far from authorizing such taxes. The Frugal Four – the Netherlands, Austria, Denmark, Sweden (they are now five because they were joined by Finland) – stand in the way. The taxes would not even need to be imposed, it would be sufficient to authorize them. Simply put, this is what makes issuing perpetual bonds impossible.
问:决心让德国担任欧盟轮值主席国成功的默克尔总理不能做点什么吗?
Q) Can’t Chancellor Merkel who is determined to make the German presidency a success do something about it?
答:她正在尽力,但她面对的是根深蒂固的文化反对:德语的“Schuld”一词有双重含义,既指债务也指罪责。欠债的人是有罪的。这不承认债权人也可以有罪。这是一个在德国极其深厚的文化问题。它导致了一个人同时作为德国人和欧洲人之间的冲突。这解释了德国最高法院最近做出的与欧洲法院相冲突的裁决。
A) She is doing her best but she is up against a deeply engrained cultural opposition: the German word Schuld has a double meaning. It means debt and guilt. Those who incur a debt are guilty. This doesn’t recognize that the creditors can also be guilty. It is a cultural issue that runs very, very deep in Germany. It has caused a conflict between being German and European at the same time. And it explains the recent decision of the German Supreme Court that is in conflict with the European Court of Justice.
问:外部谁是欧洲的敌人?
Q) Who are the enemies of Europe on the outside?
答:为数众多,但它们都有一个共同特征:反对开放社会的理念。我之所以成为欧盟的热心支持者,是因为我认为它是欧洲范围内开放社会的体现。俄罗斯曾是最大的敌人,但最近中国超过了俄罗斯。俄罗斯曾主导中国,直到尼克松总统明白,开放和发展中国不仅会削弱共产主义在中国的影响,也会削弱苏联本身。没错,他遭到弹劾,但连同基辛格,他们是伟大的战略思想家。他们的举动促成了邓小平的伟大改革。
A) They are numerous but they all share a common feature: they are opposed to the idea of an open society. I became an enthusiastic supporter of the EU because I considered it an embodiment of the open society on a European scale. Russia used to be the biggest enemy but recently China has overtaken Russia. Russia dominated China until President Nixon, understood that opening and building up China would weaken Communism not only but also in the Soviet Union. Yes, he was impeached, but he, together with Kissinger were great strategic thinkers. Their moves led to the great reforms of Deng Xiaoping.
今天情况大不相同。中国在人工智能领域领先。人工智能产生的控制工具对封闭社会有利,对开放社会构成致命危险。它让天平向封闭社会倾斜。今天的中国对开放社会的威胁比俄罗斯大得多。而在美国,两党已达成共识,将中国宣布为战略竞争对手。
Today things are much different. China is a leader in artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence produces instruments of control that are helpful for a closed society, and represent a mortal danger for an open society. It tilts the table in favor of closed societies. Today’s China is a much bigger threat to open societies than Russia. And in the US there is a bipartisan consensus that has declared China a strategic rival.
问:回到新冠病毒,它对开放社会是有利还是有害?
Q) Coming back to the novel coronavirus, is it helpful or harmful to open societies?
答:绝对有害,因为人工智能产生的监控工具在控制病毒方面非常有用,这使得这些工具即使在开放社会中也更容易被接受。
A) Definitely harmful because the instruments of surveillance produced by artificial intelligence are very useful in bringing the virus under control and that makes those instruments more acceptable even in open societies.
问:是什么让你在金融市场如此成功?
Q) What made you so successful in the financial markets?
答:如我之前所说,我建立了一个概念框架,给了我优势。它关乎思维与现实之间的复杂关系,但我把市场当成了检验我理论有效性的试验场。我可以用两个简单的命题来概括。第一,在涉及思维参与者的情况下,参与者对世界的看法总是有缺陷和扭曲的。这就是可错性。第二,这些扭曲的看法可以影响它们所关联的情境,而扭曲的看法导致不当的行动。这就是反身性。这个理论曾让我占据优势,但现在我的《金融炼金术》几乎成了专业市场参与者的必读书,我已经失去了这个优势。认识到这一点,我现在已不再是市场参与者。
A) As I mentioned before, I have developed a conceptual framework that gave me an advantage. It is about the complex relationship between thinking and reality, but I have used the market as a testing ground for the validity of my theory. I can sum it up in two simple propositions. One is that in situations that have thinking participants the participants’ view of the world is always incomplete and distorted. That is fallibility. The other is that these distorted views can influence the situation to which they relate and distorted views lead to inappropriate actions. That is reflexivity. This theory gave me a leg up, but now that my “Alchemy of Finance” is practically compulsory reading for professional market participants I have lost my advantage. Recognizing this, I am now no longer a market participant.
问:你的框架是否让你担心市场估值与经济疲软之间明显的脱节?我们是否处于由美联储大量流动性推动的泡沫中?
Q) Does your framework tell you to worry about the perceived disconnect between market valuations and the weakness of the economy? Are we in a bubble fueled by the huge liquidity made available by the Fed?
答:你说到点子上了。美联储比批评它的特朗普总统做得好得多。它向市场注入了流动性。市场现在由两个因素支撑。一是市场预计近期将有比 1.8 万亿美元《CARES 法案》更大规模的财政刺激措施;二是特朗普将在选举前宣布疫苗。
A) You hit the nail on the head. The Fed did much better than President Trump who criticized it. It flooded the markets with liquidity. The market is now sustained by two considerations. One is that it expects an even larger injection of fiscal stimulus than the $1.8 trillion CARES Act in the near future; the other is that Trump will announce a vaccine before the elections.
问:你最近向种族平等和黑人事业捐赠了 2.2 亿美元。你如何评价“黑人的命也是命”运动?
Q) You recently donated US$220MM to the cause of racial equality and black causes. How do you assess the Black Lives Matter movement?
答:这确实重要,因为这是第一次,除了黑人之外,绝大多数人口承认存在可以追溯到奴隶制的系统性歧视。
A) It really matters, because this is the first time that a large majority of the population, other than black people, recognizes that there is systemic discrimination against blacks that can be traced back to slavery.
问:许多人说,在新冠和远程工作体验之后,城市和大都市区的未来注定要完蛋。
Q) Many say that after COVID-19 and the remote working experience, the future of cities and metropolitan areas is doomed.
答:很多事情会变,但预测如何变化还为时过早。我记得 2001 年双子塔被毁后,人们认为他们再也不想住在纽约了,但几年后他们就忘了。
A) Many things will change but it is too early to predict how. I remember that after the destruction of the Twin Towers in 2001, people thought that they will never want to live in New York and in a few years, they forgot it.
问:在这场革命中,雕像被推倒,政治正确变得至高无上。
Q) In this revolution, statues are coming down and political correctness is becoming paramount.
答:有人称之为“取消文化”。我认为这是暂时现象。我认为它也做得过火了。大学里的政治正确也被过度夸大了。作为开放社会的倡导者,我认为政治正确在政治上是不正确的。我们永远不应忘记,多元化的观点对开放社会至关重要。
A) Some call it the cancel culture. I think it’s a temporary phenomenon. I think it’s also overdone. Also political correctness in universities is way exaggerated. As an advocate of open society I consider political correctness politically incorrect. We should never forget that a plurality of views is essential for open societies.
问:如果你能向欧洲人民传递一个信息,会是什么?
Q) If you could send a message to the people of Europe what would it be?
答:求救信号(SOS)。当欧洲享受通常的八月假期时,相关的旅行可能已经引发了新一波感染。如果要找相似之处,1918 年的西班牙流感大流行浮现在我脑海。它有三波,第二波是最致命的。自那以后流行病学和医学取得了巨大进步,我相信可以避免重蹈覆辙。但首先必须承认第二波疫情的可能性,并立即采取措施避免它。我不是流行病学专家,但对我来说很清楚,乘坐公共交通的人应该戴口罩并采取其他预防措施。
A) SOS. While Europe is enjoying its usual August vacation, the traveling involved may have precipitated a new wave of infections. If we look for a parallel, the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918 comes to mind. It had three waves, of which the second was the most deadly. Epidemiology and medical science have made great strides since then and I am convinced a repeat of that experience can be avoided. But first the possibility of a second wave has to be acknowledged and immediate steps taken to avoid it. I am not an expert in epidemiology but it is clear to me that people using mass transportation should wear facemasks and take other precautionary measures.
欧洲面临另一个生存问题:它没有足够的资金来应对病毒和气候变化的双重威胁。事后看来,欧洲理事会面对面会议是一次惨淡的失败。欧盟所走的路线将导致资金太少,来得太晚。这让我又回到了永续债券的想法。在我看来,“节俭四国”或“五国”需要认识到这一点,它们不应挡路,而应变成热心的支持者。只有它们真诚的转变才能让欧盟发行的永续债券被投资者接受。否则,欧盟可能无法生存。这对欧洲乃至整个世界都将是一个惨重的损失。这不仅可能,而且可能真的会发生。我相信在公众压力下,当局可以阻止它发生。
Europe faces another existential problem: it does not have enough money to deal with the twin threats of the virus and climate change. In retrospect it is clear that the in-person meeting of the European Council was a dismal failure. The course on which the European Union has embarked will yield too little money too late. This brings me back to the idea of perpetual bonds. In my opinion, the Frugal Four or Five need to recognize this; instead of standing in the way they should turn into enthusiastic supporters. Only their genuine conversion could make perpetual bonds issued by the EU acceptable to investors. Without it, the European Union may not survive. That would be a grievous loss not only for Europe but for the whole world. This is not only possible, but may actually happen. I believe that under pressure from the public, the authorities could prevent it from happening.