CNBC节选——斯坦利·德鲁肯米勒在《喧哗开盘》节目(大选后)
时间今天,11 月 10 日,星期四
地点:CNBC 的“Squawk Box”节目
WHENToday, Thursday, November 10th
WHERE: CNBC's "Squawk Box"
以下是 CNBC 对杜肯资本创始人斯坦利·德鲁肯米勒的采访非官方文字记录节选,该采访于今天(2016 年 11 月 10 日,星期四)在 CNBC 的《Squawk Box》节目(美国东部时间周一至周五上午 6 点至 9 点)播出。以下是 CNBC.com 上相关报道的链接:http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/10/stanley-druckenmiller-quite-quite-optimistic-on-the-economy.html。以下是 CNBC.com 上相关视频的链接:http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000566971 和 http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000566972。
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德鲁肯米勒谈尝试放松监管
对我来说,看到过去 4 年里,应对我们问题的唯一手段就是货币激进主义,这非常令人沮丧。每次我在任何地方发言时,我都说过:我们能不能尝试一下放松监管和税制改革?我们就不能试试吗?现在看来,我们很有可能会得到这些。
德鲁肯米勒谈乐观态度
Following are excerpts from the unofficial transcript of a CNBC interview with Stanley Druckenmiller, Duquesne Capital Founder, on CNBC's "Squawk Box" (M-F, 6AM-9AM ET) today, Thursday, November 10th. Following is a link to the story on CNBC.com: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/10/stanley-druckenmiller-quite-quite-optimistic-on-the-economy.html . Following are links to the video on CNBC.com: http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000566971 and http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000566972 . All references must be sourced to CNBC. DRUCKENMILLER ON TRYING DEREGULATION TO ME IT'S BEEN VERY FRUSTRATING TO WATCH MONETARY RADICALISM THE LAST 4 YEARS BE THE ONLY THING ADDRESSING OUR ISSUES. AND EVERY TIME I'VE TALKED ANYWHERE I SAID COULD WE JUST TRY DEREGULATION AND TAX REFORM? COULD WE JUST TRY IT? AND IT LOOKS VERY LIKELY WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT. DRUCKENMILLER ON BEING OPTIMISTIC
当前经济监管过度,人们被繁文缛节淹没,去除这些障碍后,我期待看到重大的税制改革,包括降低企业税率,或许综合税率能降至 10% 以下,以吸引资本回流。因此我对经济相当相当乐观。我一向保持开放心态,但确实非常乐观。
DRUCKENMILLER 谈珍妮特·耶伦
我绝不会立即替换她。我认为她应该任满任期。我信奉美联储的独立性。我认为维护该机构的制度完整性极为重要。但坦率地说,市场将迫使这一点实现。如果我对经济的乐观预期成真,市场会推动他们加息。
DRUCKENMILLER 谈债务
债务肯定变得更昂贵,但这——我们一直在做的事情是将大量财富从勤劳储蓄的美国民众那里转移到政府手中。
THIS ECONOMY IS SO OVERREGULATED AND PEOPLE ARE JUST DROWNING IN RED TAPE THAT THE REMOVAL OF THAT, AND THEN I'M EXPECTING SERIOUS TAX REFORM WITH CUTS TO THE CORPORATE TAX RATE, MAYBE A BLENDED RATE OF UNDER 10% TO REPATRIATE CAPITAL. SO I'M QUITE, QUITE OPTIMISTIC ON THE ECONOMY. AS ALWAYS OPEN MINDED, BUT VERY OPTIMISTIC. DRUCKENMILLER ON JANET YELLEN I ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT REPLACE HER IMMEDIATELY. I THINK SHE SHOULD SERVE OUT HER TERM. I BELIEVE IN THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE FED. I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT THAT INSTITUTIONAL INTEGRITY BE MAINTAINED. BUT FRANKLY, I THINK THE MARKET IS GOING TO FORCE THIS. THE MARKET IS GOING TO PUSH THEM TO RAISE INTEREST RATES IF MY HOPEFUL SCENARIO ON THE ECONOMY TURNS OUT TO BE RIGHT. DRUCKENMILLER ON DEBT IT DEFINITELY BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A – WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS TRANSFERRING MASSIVE WEALTH FROM HARD-WORKING AMERICANS WHO SAVED TO THE GOVERNMENT.
他们本以为能拿到 4%、5% 的回报,结果一直拿的是零。这带来的影响是——确实如此:如果利率上升,政府的利息支出会大幅增加。但收入也会增加,因为这笔钱只是转移给了储蓄者——这些储蓄者存钱的原因,正是因为他们预期长期能获得那样的回报。
德鲁肯米勒谈社会割裂
看到社会如此割裂,真让人害怕。但历史的发展方式非常有意思。如果现在正是社会割裂的绝对顶峰,我一点也不会感到惊讶。尽管我们大家都很关心城市里的那些问题,它们对我们至关重要,但如果你住在美国中西部,没有工作,没法让孩子吃上饭——也许通过税改和放松监管,如果我们能让经济稍微运转起来,我们就能解决我认为已经走得太远的问题:城市财富与整个农村地区之间的失衡。
THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO GET 4%, 5% AND THEY'VE BEEN GETTING ZERO. WHAT THIS WILL DO – IT'S TRUE. THE GOVERNMENT BILL WILL GO UP FAIRLY DRAMATICALLY IF INTEREST RATES RISE. BUT INCOMES WILL GO UP BECAUSE THAT MONEY WILL SIMPLY BE TRANSFERRED TO THE SAVERS WHO THE REASON THEY SAVED THE MONEY IS THEY EXPECTED THAT RETURN OVER THE LONG-TERM. DRUCKENMILLER ON DIVISIVENESS IT'S SCARY TO SEE THE DIVISIVENESS. BUT HISTORY HAS A VERY FUNNY WAY OF PLAYING OUT. AND I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ABSOLUTE PEAK OF THE DIVISIVENESS. AND WHILE THESE ISSUES THAT WE ALL CARE ABOUT IN THE CITIES AND ARE PARAMOUNT IMPORTANT TO US, IF YOU'RE LIVING IN THE MIDWEST AND YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB AND YOU CAN'T PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE FOR YOUR KIDS AND MAYBE WITH TAX REFORM AND DEREGULATION, IF WE CAN GET THIS THING GOING SOME, WE CAN ADDRESS WHAT I THINK HAS BECOME A SHIFT TOO FAR TOWARD URBAN WEALTH VERSUS THE WHOLE RURAL AREAS.
德鲁肯米勒谈特朗普政策
我真心希望经济政策的具体细节和制定能交给迈克·彭斯和保罗·瑞安。保罗·瑞安提出了一套方案,名叫“更好的方式”。我鼓励您所有的观众去读一读。那是一本简单的小册子,让我想起 90 年代的《与美国的契约》。它是一个具体的计划,涉及如何放松监管,如何取代——不是简单废除——而是取代奥巴马医保。里面还包含了税改。如果这些内容能得到实施,我真不在乎内阁其他位置谁来坐。
德鲁肯米勒谈黄金
我在大选当晚卖掉了所有黄金。过去几年我持有黄金的所有理由,在我看来似乎都在走向终结。而且顺便说一句,这种终结是全球性的。
DRUCKENMILLER ON TRUMP POLICY I'M JUST HOPING THAT ECONOMIC POLICY IS DEFERRED TO MIKE PENCE AND PAUL RYAN IN TERMS OF CIVIC DETAILS AND POLICY. PAUL RYAN HAS GOT A PLAN CALLED 'A BETTER WAY.' I ENCOURAGE ALL YOUR VIEWERS TO READ IT. IT'S A SIMPLE PAMPHLET. IT REMINDS ME OF THE CONTRACT WITH AMERICA IN THE '90s. IT'S A SPECIFIC PLAN OF HOW TO DO DEREGULATION, HOW TO REPLACE – NOT JUST GET RID OF – BUT REPLACE OBAMACARE. IT'S GOT TAX REFORM IN THERE. IF THAT STUFF GETS IMPLEMENTED, I DON'T REALLY CARE WHO'S IN THE REST OF THE CABINET. DRUCKENMILLER ON GOLD I SOLD ALL MY GOLD THE NIGHT OF THE ELECTION. ALL THE REASONS I HAVE OWNED IT FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, IT SEEMS TO ME THEY MAY BE ENDING. AND BY THE WAY, THEY'RE ENDING GLOBALLY.
这就像,你知道,特蕾莎·梅。这是全球性的现象。最后上车的人当然就是那些欧洲官僚,还有他们的大祭司马里奥·德拉吉。但我认为他们最终可能会搞定。他们会连踢带叫地被拖上来。
德鲁肯米勒谈利率
我认为利率将会上升。我认为它们会大幅上升……我认为这只是一个对经济增长更乐观的看法,当你拥有荒谬的利率水平,再结合对经济增长预期的改变,利率必然要上升,而且我认为它们在全球范围内还会大幅上升。
德鲁肯米勒谈经济增长
我基本上押了大赌注在经济增长上。我怎样做到这一点呢?
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TERESA MAY. THIS IS A WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON WE'RE LOOKING AT. THE LAST PEOPLE ON THE CABOOSE OF COURSE ARE THE EUROCRATS WITH THE HIGH PRIEST MARIO DRAGHI. BUT I THINK THEY'LL PROBABLY GET IT EVENTUALLY. THEY'LL BE DRAGGED KICKING AND SCREAMING. DRUCKENMILLER ON INTEREST RATES I THINK INTEREST RATES ARE GOING TO GO UP. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP A LOT…I THINK IT'S JUST A MORE OPTIMISTIC VIEW ABOUT ECONOMIC GROWTH AND WHEN YOU HAVE ABSURD INTEREST RATE LEVELS AND YOU COMBINE IT WITH A CHANGE IN EXPECTATION ON ECONOMIC GROWTH, INTERESTE RATES HAVE TO GO UP AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP A LOT MORE WORLDWIDE. DRUCKENMILLER ON ECONOMIC GROWTH I BASICALLY HAVE A LARGE BET ON ECONOMIC GROWTH. HOW DO I DO THAT?
我在全球做空债券。我做空泡沫,做空德国国债,做空英国国债,做空意大利国债,做空美国国债。这些都反映的不是赤字带来的灾难,而是更强劲的经济增长。我喜欢股市中那些对增长、价值和大宗商品敏感的板块,而不是那些不与经济同步的日用消费品和传统成长股。而且我确实看好美元,尤其是相对于欧元。
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